BS penalty. Int. grounding on Jameis. (2 Viewers)

[DSnfla]

Here's the problem with that. Even with the clock stopped with Juice going out of bounds (It was questionable that he did ) The refs spotted the ball indicating it ready for play. The clock STARTS on the snap so technically the clock was running at the snap . So the clock should have been running after the snap and when JW spiked it. So I call BS on the penalty. Granted we shouldn't have spiked it. We should have run another play trying to make the 1st and make it an easier FG AND it would have run more clock off

 

[ilvdsnts]

Intentional grounding is throwing the ball to avoid a sack! He wasn’t trying to avoid a sack! Bullshirt call!

You kind of have it backwards. Intentional grounding is when you throw it to an area with no eligible receivers. Then they have some exceptions when you CAN throw to an area with no eligible receivers. One of those exceptions is to stop a running clock, one is when you’re outside the pocket and throw it past the line if scrimmage.

 

[breesgirl]

The refs did not need to say anything. The game clock was stopped. That answers the question. It was a mistake by Winston. He compounded the mistake by grounding the ball with time left for the Falcons to still have a chance on third down. Either could have cost the Saints the game. The third down play was worse given you could have easily taken an endzone shot or tried to get the first down. Lack of awareness on Winston's part on both.

But this is a slight mischaracterization of what took place. Even Jarvis thought he was touched down. Almost everyone on that field (and stadium)thought so, too. Otherwise, why did the refs quickly set the ball in preparation for the offense to hurry and run its next play. The side judges definitely didn’t communicate Jarvis got out of bounds untouched; that’s because he didn’t. Plus, as others have touched on, the second the ball is snapped the game clock is SUPPOSED to immediately begin.

The entire sequence was a mess. I can’t fault Jameis for that, because the refs screwed the pooch on that series. I can, however, fault him for not running the clock down on the next play and spiking on a 3rd down.

 

[Brennan77]

Not so sure about the penalty

Intentional grounding rule

I read this too and don't see anything in the official rules accounting for the call made today.

 

[FullMonte]

I read this too and don't see anything in the official rules accounting for the call made today.

AR 8:90 states clearly that it is intentional grounding if a player spikes the ball with a stopped clock.

The rationale is to prevent a player from consuming time. It keeps the player from burning a second or two off of the clock.

 

[FullMonte]

But this is a slight mischaracterization of what took place. Even Jarvis thought he was touched down. Almost everyone on that field (and stadium)thought so, too. Otherwise, why did the refs quickly set the ball in preparation for the offense to hurry and run its next play. The side judges definitely didn’t communicate Jarvis got out of bounds untouched; that’s because he didn’t. Plus, as others have touched on, the second the ball is snapped the game clock is SUPPOSED to immediately begin.

The entire sequence was a mess. I can’t fault Jameis for that, because the refs screwed the pooch on that series. I can, however, fault him for not running the clock down on the next play and spiking on a 3rd down.

The refs quickly set the ball because the offense was rushing to get the next play set. It’s not the officials’ job to tell the team to slow down.

 

[platinumvinnyv]

Anyone can explain to me why Winston spike the ball on 3rd down when he had 20 plus second to run a quick play?

Cuz if they ran the ball and didn't get the first they couldn't stop the clock. No timeouts and you can't spike on 4th down and I believe it's a run off if like the saints got a penalty on field goal.. he should've waited but couldn4 run a play and risk not getting fieldgoal off

 

[Brandon13]

I read this too and don't see anything in the official rules accounting for the call made today.

A.R. 8.90 INTENTIONAL GROUNDING—SPIKE TO CONSUME TIME
First-and-10 on B30. The game clock is stopped with six seconds left in the first half. QBA1 takes the snap and
immediately spikes the ball into the ground to take one second off the clock so that a field-goal attempt will run out the clock.

Ruling: Half over. Intentional grounding and a 10-second runoff. A QB can only spike the ball to stop a running game clock. An attempt to take time off the clock is intentional grounding.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://operations.nfl.com/media/5kvgzyss/2022-nfl-rulebook-final.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwj9597wi476AhVhl2oFHUH0DbMQFnoECAsQAQ&usg=AOvVaw3P3SivlxnI8QV7LWPPa7HF

 

[ilvdsnts]

Right, it was a penalty.

But Landry was obviously down by contact, so much so that Winston didn't think it was even possible he wasn't. Refs should have made their original call of out of bounds clear.

You mean like the side judge running to the spot waiving his hands over his head to stop the clock as soon as the play ended? Yeah, he did that.

 

[NatureBoy]

In order for Winston to spike the ball, the ref had to spot it and turn possession over to the center. It was their job to tell the center and Jameis at that time that the clock was stopped.

That isn’t favoring the Saints, that’s telling the player what the ruling on the field is, which the refs are REQUIRED to do.

The whistle and a rolling arm is how they signal to start the clock. They didn’t do it yet. Jameis jumped the gun.

 

[ilvdsnts]

Landry was down inbound though. Clock should not have stopped. Refs messed up led to the penalty.

When he was on the ground inbounds he had not been touched yet. As he got up to run he stepped out of bounds.

 

[DSnfla]

The refs quickly set the ball because the offense was rushing to get the next play set. It’s not the officials’ job to tell the team to slow down.

Does not make a difference when the ball is snapped the clock starts. Flag should not have been thrown for IG while the clock was stopped because it started with the snap

 

[SubmarineMike]

I hear you, but I am not confusing anything. It looked like Landry was touched in bounds and the refs rushing to set the ball made it look like they thought so too. It seems like our coaches and QB read it that way as well.

THIS!!! It is so obvious, as it was in real time. We HAD to stop the clock. There were probably only about two people in the stadium that thought the clock should be stopped, and one of them was the clock operator.

No rational person would have thought the clock was stopped.

 

[Dan in Lafayette]

It was legit. Winston thought the clock was still running and that he was tackled in bounds. The refs stopped the clock because Landry got up and ran out of bounds. It’s a penalty to spike on a stopped clock.

That's what I saw too. Landry went to the ground on the catch but was not touched. He got up and stumbled out of bounds. The clock was then stopped. Both coach DA and Winston thought the clock was running and needed to spike the ball. The spike rule came into being for the sole purpose of stopping the clock. Coaches up in the coaches' booth should have alerted the sidelines.

 

[SubmarineMike]

it's done, over, and obviously legal

if still bothering you, go look it up

It's not a matter of legal, dumb, or anything else!

It is the fact that it appeared the receiver was down in-bounds, which would have stopped the clock.

When you are running to conserve clock, how much time to clear up that misconception? In real time, it was nearly instantaneous. Perhaps we should change the game so there could be exhaustive forum discussion whether or not to stop a clock?