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One thing I haven’t seen mentioned is coaching. I believe the genius of CSP will be a deciding factor in how well we play. I think that is an advantage also.
 
4EveraSaint said:
One thing I haven’t seen mentioned is coaching. I believe the genius of CSP will be a deciding factor in how well we play. I think that is an advantage also.
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Perhaps, but Sean Payton is not the most trusting coach in the world. He is having to learn what his current players can and cannot do well. So far his receiving corps hasn't done a lot to instill confidence, and it's also clear that Winston hasn't always made the decisions in the game that allows Payton to call certain plays that was second nature to Brees.

It'll come. But the Saints still aren't clicking well enough for Sean to use a lot of his "genius". Hopefully our offense will give CSP a lot more reasons to trust them after the game on Sunday... and for the rest of the season.
 
Bill said:
Perhaps, but Sean Payton is not the most trusting coach in the world. He is having to learn what his current players can and cannot do well. So far his receiving corps hasn't done a lot to instill confidence, and it's also clear that Winston hasn't always made the decisions in the game that allows Payton to call certain plays that was second nature to Brees.

It'll come. But the Saints still aren't clicking well enough for Sean to use a lot of his "genius". Hopefully our offense will give CSP a lot more reasons to trust them after the game on Sunday... and for the rest of the season.
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All very great points. Hopefully he can use his magic in other ways to figure out what to call that maximizes the “talent”. Having Mark and Taysom back would help a lot.
 
LUX said:
Don't forget about the refs. Refs will try to help the Bucs. We got to give the refs no chance for us to make it close.
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You mean like the ignored false start on the Saints field goal Monday night? Yeah, the refs are ALWAYS against the Saints. Margin of victory on Monday night? 3 points. Enough said
 
Trey Hendrickson was such a big difference in that game in Tampa. I for sure miss him
 
LiterOCola said:
So its Bucs offense vs Saints defense:
#2 (yards)/#3 (points) vs #8/#3

Bucs defense vs Saints offense:
#9 (yards)/#10 (points) vs #29/#17
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Why is YARDS the measuring stick for the Bucs, but POINTS is the measuring stick for the Saints???

Can you do the above with POINTS for all, and then YARDs for all?

Thanks.

LiterOCola said:
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The game is going to be decided on if the Saints offense can find a way to score points that doesn't rely on the defense getting turnovers deep in the opponent's side of the field.
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Doesn't Lil Tommy Boy depend on his D getting Take Aways???

Why can't JW do the same?
 
VPCajun said:
Why is YARDS the measuring stick for the Bucs, but POINTS is the measuring stick for the Saints???

Can you do the above with POINTS for all, and then YARDs for all?

Thanks.


Doesn't Lil Tommy Boy depend on his D getting Take Aways???

Why can't JW do the same?
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I did. First number is yards, second is points for both teams. I didn't think it had to be spelled out the entire line but since you are intentionally trying to spin obvious statements in the worst way possible, I guess I should have tried to fully idiot proof the comparisons so here you go:

So its Bucs offense vs Saints defense:
#2 (rank in yards per game for the Bucs lower numbers are better out of a total of 32 teams)/#3 (rank in points per game for the Bucs lower numbers are better out of a total of 32 teams) vs #8 (rank in yards per game for the Saints lower number are better out of a total of 32 teams)/#3 (rank in points per game for the Saints lower numbers are better out of a total of 32 teams)

Bucs defense vs Saints offense:
#9 (rank in yards per game for the Bucs lower numbers are better out of a total of 32 teams)/#10 (rank in points per game for the Bucs lower numbers are better out of a total of 32 teams) vs #29 (rank in yards per game for the Saints lower number are better out of a total of 32 teams)/#17 (rank in points per game for the Saints lower numbers are better out of a total of 32 teams)


"Doesn't Lil Tommy Boy depend on his D getting Take Aways???

Why can't JW do the same?"

Also it should be obvious, but when a unit is in the top 10 in the league they have demonstrated a capacity for not having to rely on the other unit. The Bucs offense, the Bucs defense, and the Saints defense, are all in the top 10 in the league, so they have shown higher than average competence.

The only major unit between the two teams that below average or worse is the Saints offense ... therefore the likely key to the game is going to be if the Saints offense can produce above what their current production has been. Few of the Saints offensive touchdowns have come when the Saints started on their own half of the field, while the Bucs have had few issues doing the same.

Every team scores more touchdowns when they start their drive on the opponent's half of the field, so yes, Lil Tommy Boy will be helped if his defense gets those deep turnovers, but the Bucs offense has shown they are much more capable of generating and sustaining long TD drives compared to the Saints offense. Which is something the Saints offense has struggled to do this year. Thus my opinion that the major key to the game is if the Saints offense can sustain those long TD drives better than they have so far this season, because if every unit performs to their average so far, the Saints will lose with few points on the board.
 
LiterOCola said:
I did. First number is yards, second is points for both teams. I didn't think it had to be spelled out the entire line but since you are intentionally trying to spin obvious statements in the worst way possible, I guess I should have tried to fully idiot proof the comparisons so here you go:

So its Bucs offense vs Saints defense:
#2 (rank in yards per game for the Bucs lower numbers are better out of a total of 32 teams)/#3 (rank in points per game for the Bucs lower numbers are better out of a total of 32 teams) vs #8 (rank in yards per game for the Saints lower number are better out of a total of 32 teams)/#3 (rank in points per game for the Saints lower numbers are better out of a total of 32 teams)

Bucs defense vs Saints offense:
#9 (rank in yards per game for the Bucs lower numbers are better out of a total of 32 teams)/#10 (rank in points per game for the Bucs lower numbers are better out of a total of 32 teams) vs #29 (rank in yards per game for the Saints lower number are better out of a total of 32 teams)/#17 (rank in points per game for the Saints lower numbers are better out of a total of 32 teams)


"Doesn't Lil Tommy Boy depend on his D getting Take Aways???

Why can't JW do the same?"

Also it should be obvious, but when a unit is in the top 10 in the league they have demonstrated a capacity for not having to rely on the other unit. The Bucs offense, the Bucs defense, and the Saints defense, are all in the top 10 in the league, so they have shown higher than average competence.

The only major unit between the two teams that below average or worse is the Saints offense ... therefore the likely key to the game is going to be if the Saints offense can produce above what their current production has been. Few of the Saints offensive touchdowns have come when the Saints started on their own half of the field, while the Bucs have had few issues doing the same.

Every team scores more touchdowns when they start their drive on the opponent's half of the field, so yes, Lil Tommy Boy will be helped if his defense gets those deep turnovers, but the Bucs offense has shown they are much more capable of generating and sustaining long TD drives compared to the Saints offense. Which is something the Saints offense has struggled to do this year. Thus my opinion that the major key to the game is if the Saints offense can sustain those long TD drives better than they have so far this season, because if every unit performs to their average so far, the Saints will lose with few points on the board.
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Doh!

I totally misunderstood the part of the rankings! Mea culpa!

(As well as stumbling on your concise summary!)
 
This is very simple to lay out, but hard to execute. Repeat after me "Brady can't hurt us if he is on the sideline."

Stop there running game.
Run the ball.
No, 3 and outs, for the offense
Win ugly
 
Bucs secondary is looking really sketchy, I would like to take our chances passing. I like our dline's chances getting pressure on Brady with Onyemata back. Adebo has to play well though
 

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