Carr and completed air yards—a few plays from the Bears game (1 Viewer)

[jahsoul357]

Ok, so can we stay off the 'PC can't call plays' train once and for all please kindly and thank you.

I said this in the other thread but the improvements in the offense is less about Carr and more about Carmichael.

 

[FooDoo]

Pretty sure I eliminated the plays like the one you described (flowing away from the ball), which play from the OP shows that?

There might be 1 play where the defender flowing toward the ball open the receiver. Rest were good play called.

3rd Q 15:00 1st & 10
Great call against cover 2 zone. Read is the middle LB. If he carry Taysom, CGM is open underneath in the middle. If Mike stay home, Taysom is open deep middle. But Hurst lost as did Ram, forcing Carr to scramble.



3rd Q 11:52 3rd & 8
Olave (bottom of screen) beat his man, made him stumble, before Carr finished his drop back. That’s a TD



3rd Q 3:27 1st & 10

Great call against zone. LB stayed home, Taysom is open. Like the 1st play in the 3rd Q, if Mike carry Taysom, CGM is open in the middle. If the top safety crash down, Olave is open on top. If the bottom safety defend Taysom, Bowden is open. But Ram got beat bad and no chance to step up to throw.



3rd Q 2:00
This is the play where the defenders flowed to the ball. Regardless, perfect call against that D. 3 vertical vs single high. The safety will help against Taysom. Olave beat his man, no safety help. Shot play to Olave.

7 man back to protect and still lost to 4 man rush.


4th Q 3rd & 4
Olave is wide open before Carr finished his drop back. Olave at the top of the screen with nobody within 10 yd.

Carr could also look the safety to CGM and throw to Shaheed, who is open over the middle.



4th Q 3:53 3rd & 9
4 vertical vs man. Good call. The vert clear out the middle, Williams is wide open with lots of green.

But Carr is locked onto CGM — gotta get the ball to yer playmaker in pressure situation. Of course, if Carr let the play develop, Williams have a good chance to pick up the 1st down.

 

[BreesHOF2024]

I’m all about those sustained drives, and made a thread earlier in the season on how we needed more of them. That said, if we are going to be ok with less than four air yards per attempt, we could have saved a lot of money on a QB. We took more calculated shots against the Colts, and we had a few opportunities here if all the pieces would have fallen into placex

Carr has had success down the field too

 

[DSnfla]

I said this in the other thread but the improvements in the offense is less about Carr and more about Carmichael.

The improvements in the O are VERY much due to the OL playing better , not that good but better . And that lets DC play better . PC has not really changed that much but execution has

 

[St4ever]

Lol i didnt even know i followed you. Maybe just a butt dial?

We call that booty calls!

 

[Rouxble]

I’m just saying these arent easy throws? Some of them are 40 yards down the field. It’s not like it’s madden and you can throw from any angle, off your back foot etc. you have to step in to a throw like that. And depending on the down and distance, if you have a short easy completion, i can see why you’d miss guys down field. Happens.

Agree that circumstances can affect the throw, and I noted what I thought were the limiting factors on each one. Even the first play, the scramble, is an upgrade over what I saw earlier in the season. Carr likes the big throw, and it’s hard to see that changing, but he didn’t take a sack or throw away the ball. I would prefer him to read the concept rather than lock in on Johnson, but scrambling for a few yards is far from the worst outcome possible on that play, while also being not the best.

I even liked his throw to Johnson on 3rd when he was under pressure (4th video). It resulted in a punt, but Carr got injured when he didn’t throw to Graham in a similar circumstance against Green Bay.

The point of the thread is to show that opportunities are there, but we still need to improve execution to take advantage of them.

 

[Rouxble]

Carr has had success down the field too

Agree, he just didn’t seem comfortable this week while under more pressure. To his credit, he protected the ball and didn’t put us in a position to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. Also in his defense, I said it earlier but our screen game is frustrating. Can we at least get a few yards to avoid some of these 2nd/3rd and long scenarios?

 

[jahsoul357]

The improvements in the O are VERY much due to the OL playing better , not that good but better . And that lets DC play better . PC has not really changed that much but execution has

The play calling has been a lot better brother. Has the O-line been playing better? Yes it has but play calling and scheming has been better than it has since the beginning of the season and both O-line play and play calling has been infinitely better than it was last season. The o-line and Carmichael has been better, which benefits the QB.

 

[FooDoo]

The play calling has been a lot better brother.

What’s the evaluation criteria for “better” play calling?

 

[jahsoul357]

What’s the evaluation criteria for “better” play calling?

Calls where the receivers in the exact same location, better play calling on 3rd down, better play calling in the red zone, etc. Play calling has been miles better than where it was at the beginning of the season. They did feel to not be as aggressive later into the last game, like they were with the Colts, but we can also see that there are still some places where execution is lacking. O-line is playing a part but throwing with anticipation and locking on to reads are still causing a few problems, as well. You don't think Carmichael has gotten better over the past few weeks?

 

[Scorpius the Allfather]

Ok, so can we stay off the 'PC can't call plays' train once and for all please kindly and thank you.

We've only had 2 weeks in a row where the play calling looked decent to good, so it's not even a trend yet. Let's see what happens tomorrow. If we continue to look good, then we can start talking about how PC might have turned the corner. Until then, I'm still going to think he isn't that great of a play caller. He needs to prove me wrong, and that can start tomorrow.

 

[FooDoo]

Calls where the receivers in the exact same location, better play calling on 3rd down, better play calling in the red zone, etc.

The evaluation criteria for better play calling is “better play calling”?????????

Vs Hou. Last series. 24 yd to goal. 1st & 10. PC called the cover 2 zone beater and the D played cover 2 zone.

Taysom & CGM conflict the safety, Olave is man. But Olave ran the stick instead of the pylon. Regardless, Taysom was open. But Carr threw it to the back pylon for Olave (either threw it away or threw it to a spot for Olave to run under).

2nd & 10. D called single high man. Carr went back shoulder to CGM but didn’t connect. This similar play resulted in a Carr - CGM TD against the Jag. With this one, the OL lost badly and there were 4 Texans in Carr face at the end of his drop back.

3rd & 10. D was single high man. The safety crash down when Taysom stay back to block. Shaheed beat his man and the safety had already ran 30 yd to the LOS; Eg no safety help. Should be a TD. But Carr threw to the right pylon instead of toward the back of the end zone. Don’t know whose mistake that was. Was Shaheed suppose to run to his right and he didn’t or Shaheed ran his route to the end of the end zone and Carr missed.

4th & 10. 4 vert vs single high man blitz. Taysom beat his man even with a stumble. But the OL did not pick up the blitz. So Carr went to his safety blanket CGM. The ‘19 CGM would had gone down with the ball. Unfortunately, the ‘23 CGM did not. If the blitz was picked up, the safety is conflicted. He can help against Taysom, who cut underneath his defender is is open. If the safety does that, Shaheed would cut in under his defender and be open. If the safety stay back, Taysom will be open.

Are you evaluating the play calling based in failed execution?

 

[Scorpius the Allfather]

The evaluation criteria for better play calling is “better play calling”?????????

Vs Hou. Last series. 24 yd to goal. 1st & 10. PC called the cover 2 zone beater and the D played cover 2 zone.

Taysom & CGM conflict the safety, Olave is man. But Olave ran the stick instead of the pylon. Regardless, Taysom was open. But Carr threw it to the back pylon for Olave (either threw it away or threw it to a spot for Olave to run under).

2nd & 10. D called single high man. Carr went back shoulder to CGM but didn’t connect. This similar play resulted in a Carr - CGM TD against the Jag. With this one, the OL lost badly and there were 4 Texans in Carr face at the end of his drop back.

3rd & 10. D was single high man. The safety crash down when Taysom stay back to block. Shaheed beat his man and the safety had already ran 30 yd to the LOS; Eg no safety help. Should be a TD. But Carr threw to the right pylon instead of toward the back of the end zone. Don’t know whose mistake that was. Was Shaheed suppose to run to his right and he didn’t or Shaheed ran his route to the end of the end zone and Carr missed.

4th & 10. 4 vert vs single high man blitz. Taysom beat his man even with a stumble. But the OL did not pick up the blitz. So Carr went to his safety blanket CGM. The ‘19 CGM would had gone down with the ball. Unfortunately, the ‘23 CGM did not. If the blitz was picked up, the safety is conflicted. He can help against Taysom, who cut underneath his defender is is open. If the safety does that, Shaheed would cut in under his defender and be open. If the safety stay back, Taysom will be open.

Are you evaluating the play calling based in failed execution?

Look, if you can't tell that the play calling was better the past 2 weeks over the rest of the year, I don't know what to tell you. I can see it, can't explain it though. It looks fairly obvious to me that it's been better recently. Also, the OL has been getting better, so that could play a role in that. Carr has looked better too, which helps things.

 

[StudioSaint]

Calls where the receivers in the exact same location,

That could be an execution issue just as much as a play design or play call issue.

better play calling on 3rd down

That could be an execution issue just as much as a play design or play call issue.

, better play calling in the red zone,

That could be an execution issue just as much as a play design or play call issue.

They did feel to not be as aggressive later into the last game,

How do any of us know what the coaches are thinking and feeling? Have any of us ever sat in a on single position or team meeting with any of them to get any kind of insight into how they think or what they feel?

You don't think Carmichael has gotten better over the past few weeks?

Thinking is not knowing.

 

[DSnfla]

The play calling has been a lot better brother. Has the O-line been playing better? Yes it has but play calling and scheming has been better than it has since the beginning of the season and both O-line play and play calling has been infinitely better than it was last season. The o-line and Carmichael has been better, which benefits the QB.

It so funny how when execution gets better suddenly the play called is a better one. LOL you block, you make the right read, you catch, you make a good throw = GOOD PLAY. You don't block , you don't make the right read,you bake a bad throw , you don't make the catch= BAD PLAY