Carr wanted to be traded prior to restructure per NOF and CBSsports

[sammymvpknight]

Carr had two really good years, better than any QB not named Brees with an OLine only his brother and Archie Manning can understand with a coach only Archie can understand and we hate the guy.

We always said it will be hard for anyone coming after Brees. Most of us won’t be happy with anyone not a future HOL replacement

In all of the interviews with Carr, did he ever seem disgruntled? I’d imagine if he were interviewed today, he’d most likely not sound disgruntled. Meaning, he’s fine. If I was restructured and guaranteed millions this year, it would be extremely hard to disgruntle me. I think Fans, in their analysis, always leave that part out.

If you can embrace going 0-17 in 2025, without Carr, then you’ll be fine.

He’s a professional. But he’s an average to below average starter that is aging with a roster that’s not ready to compete. Perhaps in the right situation Carr could Trent Dilfer his way to success, but that’s not here. He has been just good enough the past two seasons to miss out on Bowers and likely miss a blue chip prospect this year. He’ll probably be just enough to help us doubt a lottery pick next year as well.

 

[Rexman100]

Starting quarterback is the most important position on the team and so the wellbeing of that relationship matters a lot more. Especially when you’re dealing with a veteran who, I can safely assume, still sees himself as a starter and cornerstone of a roster. Last season was disappointing for everybody and Carr probably carries more of that, having reunited with his first head coach and it ending the way it did. And getting a lot of blame and backlash from fans when he’s not been the problem on the field.

Our best hope is that either the reporting is embellished or any problems are sorted out and everybody is on the same page. The pieces we have to sort through don’t exactly paint that picture, however.

I agree, there’s people out there that make a living when other people press buttons on their devices. So you can bet, if they are smart, that they will try and push the narrative forward, even at the detriment of “their team”. I’m not against this, I’m a capitalist. But fans should know that they are being had, bad. People could say, well why didn’t Dc4 show up at the Super Bowl? Because that was the time of the instability. Fans don’t understand that being an NFL player is a job. They can careless what a fan base thinks, as long as they have a job. Because everyone knows, just win baby. And everything will work itself out. There’s no need for interviews and talk. Anyway, after the instability period, Dc4 probably group texted DD, TM, CJ, OLave, AK, etc. and said, we’re all good, I’m coming back. And I bet he got 5 immediate .

 

[sfidc3]

Agree. Something doesn’t seem right here.

Carr comes off as pretty unreasonable if he wanted a trade AND refused to help the team facilitate it.

And the team equally looks unreasonably stubborn if they decided to restructure simply to force him to stay against his wishes.

Maybe the team felt (through conversations) they couldn’t get a decent return (or any return) unless they ate more $? But something isn’t adding up.

Yes, this seems a bit odd, like old Nick is just looking for clicks.....in the end it doesn't matter to me at all......I don't think a trade was ever going to happen anyways due to the financial implications and my belief that there wasn't a great market for him anyhow....

Either way, he is most likely a short timer here and hopefully he can help lead us to the playoffs in 2025, we will see.....

 

[Booker]

Agree. Something doesn’t seem right here.

Carr comes off as pretty unreasonable if he wanted a trade AND refused to help the team facilitate it.

And the team equally looks unreasonably stubborn if they decided to restructure simply to force him to stay against his wishes.

Maybe the team felt (through conversations) they couldn’t get a decent return (or any return) unless they ate more $? But something isn’t adding up.

Maybe he was hoping they’d just release him to avoid paying his salary? And then they turned around and converted it to a bonus and gave him a check, seemingly locking him in place for the year.

 

[SaintFanInATLHell2019]

Some may say it's not a real thing but I'm worried the O-line will not block as well for Carr and will play much better for someone else who is 100% in and actually wants to be here. Sorry but I'm for starting Rattler or drafting a QB and going with him!

You are absolutely right: It's not a real thing.

SFIAH

 

[Rouxble]

Agree. Something doesn’t seem right here.

Carr comes off as pretty unreasonable if he wanted a trade AND refused to help the team facilitate it.

And the team equally looks unreasonably stubborn if they decided to restructure simply to force him to stay against his wishes.

Maybe the team felt (through conversations) they couldn’t get a decent return (or any return) unless they ate more $? But something isn’t adding up.

He refused to adjust his contract for the Raiders, I could see him doing the same for us. In both cases, his contract had a trigger date for his salary to become fully guaranteed. Maybe he thought he could force his trade/release the same way he did with the Raiders.

I wouldn’t expect him to accept a lesser contract from us to help us get a few picks in a trade.

 

[Rouxble]

Maybe he was hoping they’d just release him to avoid paying his salary? And then they turned around and converted it to a bonus and gave him a check, seemingly locking him in place for the year.

To clarify, restructuring bonuses aren’t checks that the player receives immediately. Converted base salary is still paid out in weekly installments during the season. The payments just get reclassified for salary cap purposes.

 

[Rexman100]

He’s a professional. But he’s an average to below average starter that is aging with a roster that’s not ready to compete. Perhaps in the right situation Carr could Trent Dilfer his way to success, but that’s not here. He has been just good enough the past two seasons to miss out on Bowers and likely miss a blue chip prospect this year. He’ll probably be just enough to help us doubt a lottery pick next year as well.

Perhaps he could Trent Dilfer his way..he probably could on the Steelers. But the elephant in the room is, what would be your thoughts when we go 0-17 without him? 0-17 is a hard pill to swallow. By game 3, people will be questioning Mickey Loomis and will bring up the “KM is a puppet” narrative. By mid year, the narrative will change to, “I can’t believe we didn’t hire a proven head coach in Mike Mcarthy, now it’s too late because we burned our bridge”. All the while Sean Payton is headed BACK to the playoffs with Denver. YOUCH!!. My point is, you do not want to go 0-17. You want to go around .500, AT LEAST, to maintain confidence in the coaching staff. No one cares about excuses. You have to try and win every year in the NFL.

 

[3ParStillDriver]

I'm not saying it's going to happen, but I am saying a draft day trade could happen. Don't rule it out. Sure we're getting lip service about who will be under center week 1 of the season in 2025. Yes, it would cost a lot of money. But the actions happening from both Carr and the Saints FO are hinting at the possibility. I'm not counting it out by any stretch. At this point, currently I think its a toss up. Especially given the Steelers current position and Moore very likely doesn't want to depend on a player to lead his offense who appears to favor the previous coach over the new.

Something is going to give but I find it highly unlikely its a Carr/Moore relationship that is successful and positive.

Carr's silence with all these rumors only adds fuel to the fire of speculation as does the Saints clearing $30 million in cap and holding on to it. When was the last time they did that? Does anyone know? It feels like an age or two.

Taking everything we've seen from the Saints salary cap issues over the last decade, combined with Carr disappearing, not wanting to renegotiate, asking for a trade, and the saints clearing 30 million after all of it and holding on to it.... and Carr is still silent, hiding away and you expect me to believe that's all just a coincidence? heh.

 

[Merl]

To clarify, restructuring bonuses aren’t checks that the player receives immediately. Converted base salary is still paid out in weekly installments during the season. The payments just get reclassified for salary cap purposes.

I have heard the player usually gets quarterly payments during that year timed for when teams get their payments for their share of the tv/radio money.

 

[Merl]

I'm not saying it's going to happen, but I am saying a draft day trade could happen. Don't rule it out. Sure we're getting lip service about who will be under center week 1 of the season in 2025. Yes, it would cost a lot of money. But the actions happening from both Carr and the Saints FO are hinting at the possibility. I'm not counting it out by any stretch. At this point, currently I think its a toss up. Especially given the Steelers current position and Moore very likely doesn't want to depend on a player to lead his offense who appears to favor the previous coach over the new.

Something is going to give but I find it highly unlikely its a Carr/Moore relationship that is successful and positive.

Carr's silence with all these rumors only adds fuel to the fire of speculation as does the Saints clearing $30 million in cap and holding on to it. When was the last time they did that? Does anyone know? It feels like an age or two.

Please explain how they could pull off a draft day trade for Carr and afford to bring forward ALL of the prorated signing bonus charges on his contract.

 

[Saint Spud]

He refused to adjust his contract for the Raiders, I could see him doing the same for us. In both cases, his contract had a trigger date for his salary to become fully guaranteed. Maybe he thought he could force his trade/release the same way he did with the Raiders.

I wouldn’t expect him to accept a lesser contract from us to help us get a few picks in a trade.

The point is that he is the one requesting the trade here (supposedly). That didn’t happen in LV.

And it’s not just a matter of us getting a few picks. There may not have been a single team willing to trade for him with the contract as it was.

That’s why I said it’s not adding up.

 

[Ghost]

There was no world where Derek Carr took a paycut to be traded.

In general it's unlikely that any player will do that, not just Carr. It happens on occasion but its not common. In that I don't blame him. If it's your last chance at a big payday anyone would do the same.

1) He has signed his last multi year starting QB contract. He wouldnt give that up.

NFL= Not For Long, yet he has somehow manged to buck that trend. Agreement though. He is next likely to be a bridge or a clipboard holder. It's possible he is already a bridge QB now. That he has avoided that so far speaks to the state of QB play in the NFL, not him.

The next deal he gets will be a 1 year deal, either to be a bridge to a rookie QB (which is hopefully what he does here for 6 weeks) or maybe to become the new Vinny Testeverde/Joe Flacco where teams call you when the rest of their QB room is injured.

Agreed to a degree, more apt description is Ryan Tannehill though.

2) You cant trade what no one wants.

If the NFL is led to believe what happened last time it was down to the Saints and the Jets?

No way I'm buying that, not even for a dollar (queue the reference). The Saints were in a "bidding war" of one: against themselves and they "won."

I suppose its hard to lose when you are only playing against yourself as it were?

 

[JackDiesel]

Agree. Something doesn’t seem right here.

Carr comes off as pretty unreasonable if he wanted a trade AND refused to help the team facilitate it.

And the team equally looks unreasonably stubborn if they decided to restructure simply to force him to stay against his wishes.

Maybe the team felt (through conversations) they couldn’t get a decent return (or any return) unless they ate more $? But something isn’t adding up.

The Saints simply had to re-structure him if they wanted to do anything in FA. So it's not about being unreasonable, it was the only option available.

Trading/release, doesn't matter really because the cap hit until June 1st was too big for us.