Clayton: Potential cap casualties,all 32 teams Cap situations* (1 Viewer)

[the-commish]

Dumb Question: Doesn't Media Whore #4 from Hattiesburg's money come off the books for the Vikings?

I believe Favre's contract has expired... that would make him UFA... not that's he's going to come back for a fourth encore. But you never know. I think all of his $$$ were paid last season, and that he is indeed off the Vikings' books. And I don't believe Minnesota would ever want him back.

 

[DownWithDisease]

Can someone please explain to me why Philly is rumored to be so interested in Reggie Bush? I don't understand why they would want or need him when they have 2 RBs similar to him already, and Desean Jackson returning punts.

I could honestly see Tampa being the team that gives Reggie an offer he can't refuse... if he does get released.

 

[meily]

If we are $11.7 million under the cap we can be as much as $32.7 million under if we want to be.

Cutting Bush clears $12.5 million. Cut Gay that frees up $4 million. Cut Henderson that's another $1.5 million. Cut Brown that's $3 million.

CHAMPIONSHIP!!.....Seriously you dont win anything being 32.7million under the cap so just cutting players is not a solution specially if they are your depth...both Bush and Gay should take pay cuts (Bush restructures and signs long term deal) which honestly would give us the most cap releif..if Gay is in good health then I think Torrence days are numbered because both Patrick and Gay can be the 4-5th DB's this year.

 

[Brad01]

Scary if the Packers are $62.6 million under, that means I may be subjected to the torture of Packer fan gloating for a long time to come. :aargh:

No worries. As someone else already pointed out, it's 62 thousand, not 62 million.

 

[robsmith32]

60 thousand bruh...

oops, i need my glasses changed..

 

[bornnraisedwhodat]

I believe Favre's contract has expired... \/QUOTE]


Word? Backup to Chase Danielssss?

 

[JackDiesel]

CHAMPIONSHIP!!.....Seriously you dont win anything being 32.7million under the cap so just cutting players is not a solution specially if they are your depth...both Bush and Gay should take pay cuts (Bush restructures and signs long term deal) which honestly would give us the most cap releif..if Gay is in good health then I think Torrence days are numbered because both Patrick and Gay can be the 4-5th DB's this year.

You can bring them back at a lower price but none of those guys I listed are worth their current salaries. I was just using that number to show how okay we actually are, and we can work up from there. Gay, Brown, Henderson, vet minimum maybe a couple hundred thousand over. Bush is the only one of those guys worthy of a multi-year deal.

 

[60minutes]

Can someone please explain to me why Philly is rumored to be so interested in Reggie Bush? I don't understand why they would want or need him when they have 2 RBs similar to him already, and Desean Jackson returning punts.

I could honestly see Tampa being the team that gives Reggie an offer he can't refuse... if he does get released.

Because Bush adds more explosion and another dimension to any team he joins. There continues to be an East Coast bias in this league. Dallas doesn't have the money so why not look at teams like the Eagles and Giants even if it doesn't make much sense for the former. They have McCoy and just drafted Dion Lewis. Then again, it might actually make some sense if Andy Reid's desire is to continue to run his offense even if a guy like McCoy were to go down. You can substitute Bush for McCoy or McCoy for Bush and not miss a beat. And Reid still operates a pass-first offense that would highlight the talents of Bush. But beyond that logic, for a lot of individuals in the media, wouldn't it be sweet for the Eagles to land Bush while the Saints give him away. The funny thing, as I stated earlier, is that the Eagles truly do not have that much more to spend than we do. And given some maneuvering, we could have more if needed it. I think the other thing is that some people felt Bush was on the verge of finally putting it together last season after a great postseason showing and then a very solid preseason effort. Then he goes out and gets hurt against the Niners on a freak play. At some point, whether right or wrong, there's the assumption that he'll shake off the injury bug and become the multi-dimensional threat he's shown flashes of being when healthy. What a ratings bonanza, then, it would be if a suddenly healthy Bush goes to the big market in Philly to join up with Michael Vick, Desean Jackson, Jeremy Maclin, Shady McCoy, and company. I don't think it ought to surprise people that the Eagles have been linked to Bush, Asomougha, Haynesworth, and Ray Edwards, amongst a few others. Fortunately for us, Bush will be in the black and gold and helping the Saints end the Eagles' postseason dreams of a Lombardi sometime in January 2012.

Have to say I never truly understood all the numbers before, but now I have a much better understanding of how it works. Great post.

Thank you!

 

[Crzycjunx76]

Thanks for the link. Here's all 32 team's status...

ap situations*

<table> <thead> <tr> <th>Team</th> <th>Status</th> </tr> </thead> <tbody> <tr class="last"> <td>Arizona</td> <td>$37.3 million under</td> </tr> <tr class="last"> <td>Atlanta</td> <td>$13.9 million under</td> </tr> <tr class="last"> <td>Baltimore</td> <td>$5.33 million under</td> </tr> <tr class="last"> <td>Buffalo</td> <td>$35.9 million under</td> </tr> <tr class="last"> <td>Carolina</td> <td>$30.6 million under</td> </tr> <tr class="last"> <td>Chicago</td> <td>$37. million under</td> </tr> <tr class="last"> <td>Cincinnati</td> <td>$35.9 million under</td> </tr> <tr class="last"> <td>Cleveland</td> <td>$33.3 million under</td> </tr> <tr class="last"> <td>Dallas</td> <td>$18.9 million over</td> </tr> <tr class="last"> <td>Denver</td> <td>$1 million under</td> </tr> <tr class="last"> <td>Detroit</td> <td>$16.6 million under</td> </tr> <tr class="last"> <td>Green Bay</td> <td>$62,600 under</td> </tr> <tr class="last"> <td>Houston</td> <td>$7.6 million under</td> </tr> <tr class="last"> <td>Indianapolis</td> <td>$2.7 million over</td> </tr> <tr class="last"> <td>Jacksonville</td> <td>$31.4 million under</td> </tr> <tr class="last"> <td>Kansas City</td> <td>$34.3 million under</td> </tr> <tr class="last"> <td>Miami</td> <td>$13.6 million under</td> </tr> <tr class="last"> <td>Minnesota</td> <td>$5.1 million over</td> </tr> <tr class="last"> <td>New England</td> <td>$7.57 million under</td> </tr> <tr class="last"> <td>New Orleans</td> <td>$11.7 million under</td> </tr> <tr class="last"> <td>N.Y. Giants</td> <td>$11.3 million over</td> </tr> <tr class="last"> <td>N.Y. Jets</td> <td>$1.2 million over</td> </tr> <tr class="last"> <td>Oakland</td> <td>$10 million over</td> </tr> <tr class="last"> <td>Philadelphia</td> <td>$13 million under</td> </tr> <tr class="last"> <td>Pittsburgh</td> <td>$10 million over</td> </tr> <tr class="last"> <td>San Diego</td> <td>$19.4 million under</td> </tr> <tr class="last"> <td>San Francisco</td> <td>$19.4 million under</td> </tr> <tr class="last"> <td>Seattle</td> <td>$39 million under</td> </tr> <tr class="last"> <td>St. Louis</td> <td>$35.6 million under</td> </tr> <tr class="last"> <td>Tampa Bay</td> <td>$59.2 million under</td> </tr> <tr class="last"> <td>Tennessee</td> <td>$10.3 million under</td> </tr> <tr class="last"> <td>Washington</td> <td>$10.6 million under</td> </tr> <tr class="last"> <td colspan="2">*Does not include restricted free-agent tenders. </td></tr></tbody></table>

If this does not include tenders does that mean it does not include application of the franchise tag? Because if that is the case then the Colts cap number does not even include Manning and they are in real trouble.

 

[jrdbrn]

Green Bay really knows how to work their books LOL

Also, if we have 26 FA, does that mean we only have 11.7 million to pay them? I have the attention span on a squirrel so I didn't read too much.

 

[SAINTSFAN]

Ah, John Clayton, the Saints should cut Bush to save money so he can go to the Iggles who have a lot of money to spend even though they are only $1.3 million more under the cap than the Saints.



Very true.



Depends on how deals are structured. Let's say for instance, we gave Nicks a 7 year, $56 million deal with $20 million guaranteed. The $21 million will get prorated over the life of the deal, so that comes to $3 million per. In the first year, we can choose to pay him, say, $1 million. His cap hit is then $4 million though he would have made $22 million this season.,

Let's go with Bush. 4 years, $22 million of which $12 is guaranteed. That's $3 million per. Let's say we give him the veteran mininum of $750, 000. His cap hit would be $3.75 million. Effectively, he would only cost us $250, 000 more than what we will have on the books if we chose to cut him outright. But he will make $12.75 million, which is $950, 000 more than he was due to make. Thus, you get satisfied player and a team now will an additional $8, 050, 000 to spend.

How about Brees? Let's say we extend him for 5 years, $100 million with $40 million guaranteed. We can pay him $1 million this season in base salary. So he'll make $41, 000, 000. His cap hit, however, would only be $9,000, 000, which is lower than his current cap figure of $11.8 milllion ($2 million bonus prorated + $9.8 million in salary). That would give the team an additional $2.8 million in cap savings.

Roman Harper. 5 year, $25.5 million with $10 guaranteed. $1.5 million the first year in base. That's a cap charge of $3.5 for a player who would pocket $11.5 million.

Lance Moore. 4 year, $16 million with $6 guaranteed. $1 million base his first season would bring his cap charge to $2.5 million.

Together, these cap figures for the above players would be $22.75 million. However, with Brees and Bush's deals, we save a total of $10.85 million ($23.4 under the cap). So we would have only spent $10 million to re-sign our top players while creating that additional $10.85 million to bring our cap space to $13.4 million left AFTER THOSE DEALS WERE SIGNED.

These are rough estimates, and are not necessarily meant to be salary suggestions though they are not that far off from the range each player should expect, in some cases give or take a couple million. I think the biggest one here is Reggie in terms of showing how the Saints could pay him, lower his base salary, extend the deal, and almost bring parity between his cap figure were he released and his cap figure while still being on the team. And the cap savings of $8.05 million would give us nearly $20 million to spend. Keep in mind that Randall Gay, Devery Henderson, Will Smith, and Alex Brown could all see adjustments made to their salaries.

As Bonchie intimated, we are in good shape based on the talent already on the roster and have the ability to make certain adjustments should we need more money to spend.

I understand this is only for illustration purposes. However, contracts are structured not only for the current year, but for future years as well. All of those contracts push huge cap hits to future years, so that would have to fit within the Saints salary plans/budgets. Also, guaranteed money is not always all paid up front.

 

[60minutes]

If this does not include tenders does that mean it does not include application of the franchise tag? Because if that is the case then the Colts cap number does not even include Manning and they are in real trouble.

Now this, too, is my wonder. I would imagine it should not include previous tenders made sense those will be rendered obsolete by the new CBA. And if you look at the money the Saints have charged against the cap ($108.3 million), and consider the deals we made right after the season was over, it is not likely that tenders are included though I can be wrong. It DEPENDS on the accuracy of that $99 million amount we heard right after the season and whether or not that number included those tenders. After the season was over, we made a few deals re-signing Hartley and Thomas, and signing Rogers. Prior to those deals, we were right around $99 million or so. I saw some reports that it was slightly lower, around $98.7. Rogers' deal is a direct charge against the cap since it is a 1-year deal. I know last week, we were said to be at $105+ million. I wonder then if rookie pool is being factored into that amount to get us to the $108.3 million amount. Probably not since the CBA is altering rookie salaries.

 

[dbrooks55]

Specifically with the Bucs- they may be $60mil under but their owners are bankrupt and maybe all they can spend is to the floor. Also, they have a ton of guys up for free agency very soon if it drops to 4 years, like Freeman who will eat up a ton of cap space.

They are not bankrupt...someone that worked for them there that out there, kind like an internet rumor gets started. The years they have been involved with Man U have been Man U's most profitable years. I love the how everyone thinks they are backrupt just cause they heard it somewhere. It is not the case!

Sounds like the cap floor will be 108 million, so they still have to spend 40 million at the least!

 

[60minutes]

I understand this is only for illustration purposes. However, contracts are structured not only for the current year, but for future years as well. All of those contracts push huge cap hits to future years, so that would have to fit within the Saints salary plans/budgets. Also, guaranteed money is not always all paid up front.

Very true, and I agree! But, again, it was only for illustration purposes to give Bornraisedthat an idea on how things could work given our current salary cap status. It would have been complicated to explain, say, two-tiered bonuses where the first bonus might be prorated over the first year or two year of the deal and the second bonus would be prorated of the remaining life of the deal. Also, you're right--all guaranteed money is not paid up front.

Now, in terms of pushing cap hits to future years, most deals done do that anyway. There have been times when teams have frontloaded deals, or as we saw last year dumped a lot of money into the uncapped year a la the Redskins with Haynesworth ($21 million). But for the most part, these deals end up being shorter deals than they appear. You can have salary increases in year 5, 6, and 7 on a deal that is technically set up to be a 4 year deal. Those things happen all the time. The other thing to keep in mind is that in 2014, salaries are expected to jump because of an expected increase in revenue. As always, there are any number of factors that might dictate how teams choose to set up certain deals; but good GMs will always try to set them up with the goal of remaining competitive while also having an eye for how to maintain that competiveness in the future.

 

[SuperSaint]

Somebody will offer Reggie a sweetheart deal, and we save 8.5 mil.

It's a win-win. I'd love to keep him, but I don't see it happening. With Ingram in the mix now, his playing time is going to decrease even more.