Closer look at Kellen Moore in the NFCCG today (5 Viewers)

[No2DC]

Nah, everyone is seeing what they want to see, including you. These "we're scraping the bottom of the barrel" and "dumpster diving", etc. horse manure comments are coming from an emotionally down fanbase and are unsubstantiated.

And, if we'd made a quick decision some would cry "lazy hire". And some will still do so if Rizzi or even McCarthy are hired.

The cap situation was known to all during this whole process. Yes, it is strong consideration to be dealt with for prospects to consider. Being last to make a selection is being made out to be a big deal and it isn't. We waited until after the Super Bowl last year to sign Kubiak because that is what the rules allowed. The favorites we missed out on are obviously targeted or preferred other teams with Glenn being really the only one that we were in the mix for.

And spoiler alert: we'll get another round of this if Kellen Moore backs out and chooses stay with the Eagles…the team that's headed to the Super Bowl with a stacked offensive roster.

Being last to fill the positon means zilch.

Yes, we all have opnions. That's the purpose of the board. I do refute the idea that picking last is a good sign or that Mick is being thorough. We fired our HC mid-season. The math ain't mathing.

 

[St. Geezy]

Yes, we all have opnions. That's the purpose of the board. I do refute the idea that picking last is a good sign or that Mick is being thorough. We fired our HC mid-season. The math ain't mathing.

Our finalists are a SB champion HC with a resume akin to Sean Payton’s, along with the offensive coordinator of this year’s SB representative from one of if not the the single most consistently great team in our conference.

What exactly is it that you think we have missed out on?

Vrabel, Glenn, and Johnson were never going to happen, and we expressed no interest at all in the other hires.

 

[Covington Saint]

Yes, we all have opnions. That's the purpose of the board. I do refute the idea that picking last is a good sign or that Mick is being thorough. We fired our HC mid-season. The math ain't mathing.

the reason we are picking last is because detroit crapped the bed in their home playoff game and their coordinators suddenly became available too soon.

jerry jones is being railroaded for hiring too soon.

saints are fine. wasn't glenn's first choice, so what. You better believe we were good enough for him if the jets passed on him. Go find the coen's press conference of him saying duval. omg.

 

[St. Geezy]

the reason we are picking last is because detroit crapped the bed in their home playoff game and their coordinators suddenly became available too soon.

jerry jones is being railroaded for hiring too soon.

saints are fine. wasn't glenn's first choice, so what. You better believe we were good enough for him if the jets passed on him. Go find the coen's press conference of him saying duval. omg.

Yep. If you watched Glenn’s press conference today, you know that we never had any chance whatsoever at beating out the Jets once they laid out their offer to him, and neither did anyone else.

Players do not pass on the opportunity to be the head coach of the team they came up with, period. That’s a dream come true for these guys. You don’t pass on that opportunity even if it’s not a perfect situation.

Vrabel too, for that matter.

 

[Elvis]

These "we're scraping the bottom of the barrel" and "dumpster diving", etc. horse manure comments are coming from an emotionally down fanbase and are unsubstantiated.

The entire NFL, the NFL media and fans of most teams saw the 3 coaches that got hired first as the top tier. So don't give us that garbage. If Ben Johnson, Mike Vrabel or Aaron Glenn wanted to be here, they would be the head coach right now. Nobody believes that Loomis would have turned those 3 down. We are settling for a lower tier of coach regardless of what you call it. Not because we want that but because that is all we can muster right now.

This isn't about being "an emotionally down fanbase". It's about seeing things the way they are. This team isn't very attractive for a number of reasons and there is no amount of copium that will change that. That doesn't mean we won't end up with a good coach, but it does mean that the top tier passed on us for better situations. Now, if you think being a good fan means that you have to see everything they are and everything they do in a positive light then you're in for some major disappointment. The front office is not beyond reproach. They do make questionable or straight up bad decisions. All teams do. But we've been in a holding pattern of bad decisions for a few years and people want to talk about it while the transition is ongoing and that doesn't make us bad fans.

 

[Covington Saint]

The entire NFL, the NFL media and fans of most teams saw the 3 coaches that got hired first as the top tier. So don't give us that garbage. If Ben Johnson, Mike Vrabel or Aaron Glenn wanted to be here, they would be the head coach right now. Nobody believes that Loomis would have turned those 3 down. We are settling for a lower tier of coach regardless of what you call it. Not because we want that but because that is all we can muster right now.

This isn't about being "an emotionally down fanbase". It's about seeing things the way they are. This team isn't very attractive for a number of reasons and there is no amount of copium that will change that. That doesn't mean we won't end up with a good coach, but it does mean that the top tier passed on us for better situations. Now, if you think being a good fan means that you have to see everything they are and everything they do in a positive light then you're in for some major disappointment. The front office is not beyond reproach. They do make questionable or straight up bad decisions. All teams do. But we've been in a holding pattern of bad decisions for a few years and people want to talk about it while the transition is ongoing and that doesn't make us bad fans.

you keep repeating the sky screaming rhetoric and i have no idea why. goodness gracious. a candidate that 75% of the fan base did not want passed on us to coach a team that drafted him and he got to bring in his personnel guy. My goodness the horror.

 

[Elvis]

you keep repeating the sky screaming rhetoric and i have no idea why. goodness gracious. a candidate that 75% of the fan base did not want passed on us to coach a team that drafted him and he got to bring in his personnel guy. My goodness the horror.

I know you think you're clever by repeating "sky screaming" over and over and over again. You're not. It's dumb. And you have more to say about fans talking about the Saints than you do about the actual Saints football team.

 

[StudioSaint]

Yes, we all have opnions. That's the purpose of the board. I do refute the idea that picking last is a good sign or that Mick is being thorough. We fired our HC mid-season. The math ain't mathing.

What would you have done during the season to get a head start on the coach hiring process? Keep in mind that any coach under contract could not be talked to without their team's permission and that teams don't allow that during the season.

So what would you have done that the Saints did not do and how do you know they didn't do it?

 

[StudioSaint]

The entire NFL, the NFL media and fans of most teams saw the 3 coaches that got hired first as the top tier.

Yes, but not exclusively. They also all have McCarthy and Moore in the top tier. I haven't seen anyone who has said that McCarthy and Moore are anything less than top tier candidates too.

 

[Elvis]

Yes, but not exclusively. They also all have McCarthy and Moore in the top tier. I haven't seen anyone who has said that McCarthy and Moore are anything less than top tier candidates too.

The top tier candidates aren't still available after 6 teams hired new coaches and if they are then there are no tiers.

 

[No2DC]

Our finalists are a SB champion HC with a resume akin to Sean Payton’s, along with the offensive coordinator of this year’s SB representative from one of if not the the single most consistently great team in our conference.

What exactly is it that you think we have missed out on?

Vrabel, Glenn, and Johnson were never going to happen, and we expressed no interest at all in the other hires.

New day, new finalist. We keep going in circles. When one person drops out ya'll say the same thing. Last week it was Brady and Kafka, now it was Mike and Moore. I didn't know there were so many used car sales people on this board.

 

[No2DC]

What would you have done during the season to get a head start on the coach hiring process? Keep in mind that any coach under contract could not be talked to without their team's permission and that teams don't allow that during the season.

So what would you have done that the Saints did not do and how do you know they didn't do it?

What have the other teams that done that needed coaches?

 

[StudioSaint]

The top tier candidates aren't still available after 6 teams hired new coaches and if they are then there are no tiers.

Please tell me what "top tier" means to you.

When "the entire NFL, the NFL media" talks about top tier that are talking about coaches considered to have equal ability and expected success. They all have McCarthy and Moore right up their with Glen, Vrable and Johnson.

Dallas hired Schottenhemier, so that makes him top tier to you? Because it seems like top tier to you means the first coaches hired. That's not how "the entire NFL, the NFL media" defines top tier.

 

[St. Geezy]

New day, new finalist. We keep going in circles. When one person drops out ya'll say the same thing. Last week it was Brady and Kafka, now it was Mike and Moore. I didn't know there were so many used car sales people on this board.

I never said that. Ever.

If anything, I have been preaching to everyone that Brady isn’t a real candidate because he isn’t the guy people think he is and to not freak out when he goes yet another cycle without an offer, and I have been saying Kafka is just a Rooney Rule checkbox.

You have the wrong guy.

 

[St. Widge]

The top tier candidates aren't still available after 6 teams hired new coaches and if they are then there are no tiers.

You really think Shottenheimer and Carroll were top tier candidates? I'd take McCarthy, Moore, Kafka, and Weaver over them any day of the week.


Maybe it's about how you define top tier. Vrabel, Glenn, and Johnson were certainly the hot names, although during the season when Glenn was mentioned most of the board called him sheet and said it would just be another lazy hire by Loomis, so if that's how you define top tier then sure we aren't getting top tier. But, that doesn't mean guys like McCarthy and Moore are low level hires. Especially when compared to Shottenheimer and Carroll. I mean, say what you will about McCarthy being past his prime, but he has won a Super Bowl and Moore is the OC for one of the two teams in the Super Bowl. I'm not sure how either could be considered low tier.

I'm also not sure you should define the tier a coach based only on who gets hired first. And if that is the definition who really gives a sheet when it would put Shottenheimer and Carroll over McCarthy and Moore.