Closer look at Kellen Moore in the NFCCG today (6 Viewers)

[StudioSaint]

What have the other teams that done that needed coaches?

I don't know, you tell me. You're the one complaining the Saints didn't do enough during the season to find a new coach. So, you tell me what the Saints should have done that they didn't do.

If you know what you're talking about, you should be able to explain what the Saints should have done during the season that they didn't. If you can't do that, then maybe you should reconsider your opinion.

 

[St. Geezy]

You really think Shottenheimer and Carroll were top tier candidates? I'd take McCarthy, Moore, Kafka, and Weaver over them any day of the week.


Maybe it's about how you define top tier. Vrabel, Glenn, and Johnson were certainly the hot names, although during the season when Glenn was mentioned most of the board called him sheet and said it would just be another lazy hire by Loomis, so if that's how you define top tier then sure we aren't getting top tier. But, that doesn't mean guys like McCarthy and Moore are low level hires. Especially when compared to Shottenheimer and Carroll. I mean, say what you will about McCarthy being past his prime, but he has won a Super Bowl and Moore is the OC for one of the two teams in the Super Bowl. I'm not sure how either could be considered low tier.

I'm also not sure you should define the tier a coach based only on who gets hired first. And if that is the definition who really gives a sheet when it would put Shottenheimer and Carroll over McCarthy and Moore.

Bingo. The people complaining that we missed out on the apparent top tier super coach phenom Aaron Glenn would be the same ones complaining about it being a lazy hire if we had made it.

 

[Elvis]

Please tell me what "top tier" means to you.

When "the entire NFL, the NFL media" talks about top tier that are talking about coaches considered to have equal ability and expected success. They all have McCarthy and Moore right up their with Glen, Vrable and Johnson.

Dallas hired Schottenhemier, so that makes him top tier to you? Because it seems like top tier to you means the first coaches hired. That's not how "the entire NFL, the NFL media" defines top tier.

I already said who was seen as the top tier candidates in a previous post and I agree as to why they were. Two were coordinators on the leagues best team and the other was fired last year in what most people thought was the stupidest HC firing in recent memory.

Nobody has had McCarthy and Moore as top coaching candidates this cycle. 2 teams did a first interview with McCarthy (Bears interviewed 12+ candidates) and 3 with Moore (Cowboys and Jags). None asked for a 2nd interview with either besides us.

Now, I think either can be decent coaches for us. But I won't pretend they were the cream of the crop either. We're not getting the top coaches with our situation.

 

[Henny78]

The entire NFL, the NFL media and fans of most teams saw the 3 coaches that got hired first as the top tier. So don't give us that garbage. If Ben Johnson, Mike Vrabel or Aaron Glenn wanted to be here, they would be the head coach right now. Nobody believes that Loomis would have turned those 3 down. We are settling for a lower tier of coach regardless of what you call it. Not because we want that but because that is all we can muster right now.

This isn't about being "an emotionally down fanbase". It's about seeing things the way they are. This team isn't very attractive for a number of reasons and there is no amount of copium that will change that. That doesn't mean we won't end up with a good coach, but it does mean that the top tier passed on us for better situations. Now, if you think being a good fan means that you have to see everything they are and everything they do in a positive light then you're in for some major disappointment. The front office is not beyond reproach. They do make questionable or straight up bad decisions. All teams do. But we've been in a holding pattern of bad decisions for a few years and people want to talk about it while the transition is ongoing and that doesn't make us bad fans.

Agreed!

 

[St. Geezy]

What have the other teams that done that needed coaches?

Two teams happened to have an availability at a time when two of their former players were looking for head coaching jobs. One team, the Raiders, did a bunch of randomness and ending up with a coach that’ll be there for three years, tops. Cowboys hired incompetence. Jags hired an indecisive weird guy that makes a fool out of himself in introductory press conferences and does shady stuff to get out of verbal contracts.

 

[Elvis]

Two teams happened to have an availability at a time when two of their former players were looking for head coaching jobs. One team, the Raiders, did a bunch of randomness and ending up with a coach that’ll be there for three years, tops. Cowboys hired incompetence. Jags hired an indecisive weird guy that makes a fool out of himself in introductory press conferences and does shady stuff to get out of verbal contracts.

I can see straight through all of your putting down the other coaching hires and making excuses for the others going to teams they played for just to defend you position that this team isn't an unattractive landing spot. It's totally a "I didn't like them anyway" thing like when someone doesn't go to the prom because nobody would be your date.

 

[scott88]

I'm starting to think it's Moore's job to lose

 

[St. Geezy]

I can see straight through all of your putting down the other coaching hires and making excuses for the others going to teams they played for just to defend you position that this team isn't an unattractive landing spot. It's totally a "I didn't like them anyway" thing like when someone doesn't go to the prom because nobody would be your date.

Go read my prior posts over the last few weeks and you’ll see that’s not accurate.

Not sure why you’re in such a “Gotta disagree with everyone” mood these past few days all of a sudden. You will not rest until everyone hates everything Saints/Loomis.

“i cAN sEE sTRAIGHT tHROUGH.” It’s not that serious.

 

[kcirdor]

If Kellen Moore was always the #1 Target, nothing that has happened so far matters if they sign him tomorrow. Brady and Moore have the same agent, him backing out could simply be inside info that the ink was all but dry. I wanted Glenn but I knew chances were slim with the Jets job available. And MM is just the fall back option with Rizzi being the ultimate last ditch fall back. At which point, even the staunchest Guardian of the SSF will be on the Loomis Doom Us movement.

 

[DSnfla]

Moore may not be the one coaching the OL, but his offense and the success of his offense is a direct result of that OL. He might not be able to bring the OL coach, but he's damn sure gonna try to build something similar here.

Exactly, To me the success of Philly's O is due to Stoutland's OL and Barkley. And Moore won't be bringing either with him if he's our HC. I'm still taking McCarthy 1st

 

[Elvis]

Go read my prior posts over the last few weeks and you’ll see that’s not accurate.

Not sure why you’re in such a “Gotta disagree with everyone” mood these past few days all of a sudden. You will not rest until everyone hates everything Saints/Loomis.

“i cAN sEE sTRAIGHT tHROUGH.” It’s not that serious.

I'm tired of people like yourself jumping into everything telling me not to believe my own eyes. So I disagree with every single person trying to do that. I don't hate the Saints or Loomis. Have I called for him to be fired? I haven't. Have I criticized our cap strategy? Yes. Have I questioned some of his decisions. Also, Yes. Do I think the team is in terrible shape without a visible plan to better it? I do. Do I have ideas and preferences for how the team can get better. Of course. There are LOTS of us discussing all of those things without issue, even when we disagree. So I think your problem is that I disagree with YOU.

 

[StudioSaint]

Nobody has had McCarthy and Moore as top coaching candidates this cycle.

That's factually inaccurate unless you define everyone as Underhill, Triplett, Ross Jackson and the other local Saints internet media posters and podcasters.

Bears head coach: Ben Johnson, Mike McCarthy remain top candidates

It certainly appears to be a two-way race between Ben Johnson and Mike McCarthy for the Bears head coach job.

bearswire.usatoday.com

Top NFL Head Coaching Candidates for 2025: Ranking Brian Flores, Mike McCarthy, Todd Monken, and Others

Who are the NFL's top 2025 head coaching candidates? Let's rank the top remaining options this offseason, including Brian Flores, Todd Monken, and others.

www.profootballnetwork.com

Mike McCarthy Is Now New Orleans Saints' Top Head Coach Candidate

The New Orleans Saints have a new front-runner for their open head coaching position after the Dallas Cowboys have moved on from Mike McCarthy.

www.wnep.com

Underhill has said McCarthy is a top candidate, even though McCarthy is not his preferred candidate. Ross Jackson has said basically the same. These guys don't report as much as they opine. They loved Glenn and Brady and they opined their bias for Glenn and Brady as objective fact.

 

[St. Geezy]

I'm tired of people like yourself jumping into everything telling me not to believe my own eyes. So I disagree with every single person trying to do that. I don't hate the Saints or Loomis. Have I called for him to be fired? I haven't. Have I criticized our cap strategy? Yes. Have I questioned some of his decisions. Also, Yes. Do I think the team is in terrible shape without a visible plan to better it? I do. Do I have ideas and preferences for how the team can get better. Of course. There are LOTS of us discussing all of those things without issue, even when we disagree. So I think your problem is that I disagree with YOU.

You’re not “disagreeing” with me. You’re telling me how I feel and how you can “see straight through me.”

Sorry my feelings that have been voiced for weeks don’t fall in line with you and your crew’s haterade tour.

 

[St. Geezy]

I'm tired of people like yourself jumping into everything telling me not to believe my own eyes. So I disagree with every single person trying to do that. I don't hate the Saints or Loomis. Have I called for him to be fired? I haven't. Have I criticized our cap strategy? Yes. Have I questioned some of his decisions. Also, Yes. Do I think the team is in terrible shape without a visible plan to better it? I do. Do I have ideas and preferences for how the team can get better. Of course. There are LOTS of us discussing all of those things without issue, even when we disagree. So I think your problem is that I disagree with YOU.

FYI - this is me all the way back on January 8th indicating that Moore was my top guy.

Saints request to interview Kliff Kingsbury [Jan. 16: Kingsbury plans to wait to take interviews until after the Commanders’ playoff run]

saintsreport.com

And this was until McCarthy became available, and he then went on to become my #1, dropping Moore to #2.

These have been my personal top 2 for weeks.

Furthermore, read my post in a skeptical manner or not, but I promise you in at least the two former player hires as well as the Raiders’ process, I have voiced those feelings here before now. If anything, in the case of Glenn, you’d find me posting wondering why his stock even was as high as it had gotten, well before he was hired.

You’re very mistaken here. No need to get so ugly or accuse someone of lying just because they don’t go along with the pessimistic thought narrative you seem to want to push hard for whatever reason.

 

[Elvis]

FYI - this is me all the way back on January 8th indicating that Moore was my top guy.

Saints request to interview Kliff Kingsbury [Jan. 16: Kingsbury plans to wait to take interviews until after the Commanders’ playoff run]

saintsreport.com

And this was until McCarthy became available, and he then went on to become my #1, dropping Moore to #2.

These have been my personal top 2 for weeks.

Furthermore, read my post in a skeptical manner or not, but I promise you in at least the two former player hires as well as the Raiders’ process, I have voiced those feelings here before now.

You’re very mistaken here. No need to get so ugly or accuse someone of lying just because they don’t go along with the pessimistic thought narrative you seem to want to push hard for whatever reason.

Do me a huge favor. When you see my posts, just keep scrolling. I have no desire to engage with you anymore about this stuff. I know your stance and I can agree to disagree. The problem is that you cannot give others the same courtesy. I don't put people on ignore, so I'm not going to do that. But I find you completely full of yourself and trying to control everything everyone else thinks. I'm not interested.