Closer look at Kellen Moore in the NFCCG today (6 Viewers)

[3ParStillDriver]

There is nothing about Moore that excites me. Has the best back and best line in football with above average receivers and their offense is Barkley opening up the passing game a little. I just feel like anyone with half a brain could have done that.

I remain very skeptical myself. If I'm being honest, I'm not confident in any of the 3 primary candidates. McCarthy, Rizzi and Moore all feel like they will not succeed here. I find it unlikely McCarthy will find a franchise QB here. Same with Rizzi and Moore. I don't think any of them constantly make good adjustments as the game goes. They either have a talented roster that out plays opposition and succeed, or don't. I don't see any coaching occurring that constantly creates and forces mismatches. I don't see it often with McCarthy, rarely ever with Moore, and it never occurred while Rizzi was interim head coach.

I'm just realizing that I think we really are picking from the bottom of the barrel for head coaches.

 

[Rexman100]

I remain very skeptical myself. If I'm being honest, I'm not confident in any of the 3 primary candidates. McCarthy, Rizzi and Moore all feel like they will not succeed here. I find it unlikely McCarthy will find a franchise QB here. Same with Rizzi and Moore. I don't think any of them constantly make good adjustments as the game goes. They either have a talented roster that out plays opposition and succeed, or don't. I don't see any coaching occurring that constantly creates and forces mismatches. I don't see it often with McCarthy, rarely ever with Moore, and it never occurred while Rizzi was interim head coach.

I'm just realizing that I think we really are picking from the bottom of the barrel for head coaches.

I remember when we hired Sean Payton in 2006. I was listening to Kaare Johnson back then, he had some show on AM radio. But I remember he’d preface his show’s with “the saints are signing yet another exciting new free agent”. This went on for days maybe weeks, coupled with the coaches being hired….
Why did I say all of that? Because being a head coach is more than being a great X/O’s guy, it’s about having a vision and building a team from the ground up. Then incrementally adding pieces to it. IMO, this is where 90% of the value is, when hiring a head coach. You want your guy to have a vision, but also the tenacity to see it through. We know that Mike Mcarthy can do this, he’s done it three times, if you include his first stint with the Saints, which I’m sure he had a big part in, building the offense, considering Hasslett was a Defensive guy. If Mickey sees that Kellen Moore also fits this mold, then I’m all for it. But understand, you need a no nonsense, driven person, that doesn’t fear confrontation or banging on tables, in order to see his vision through.

 

[HouseCall]

I remain very skeptical myself. If I'm being honest, I'm not confident in any of the 3 primary candidates. McCarthy, Rizzi and Moore all feel like they will not succeed here. I find it unlikely McCarthy will find a franchise QB here. Same with Rizzi and Moore. I don't think any of them constantly make good adjustments as the game goes. They either have a talented roster that out plays opposition and succeed, or don't. I don't see any coaching occurring that constantly creates and forces mismatches. I don't see it often with McCarthy, rarely ever with Moore, and it never occurred while Rizzi was interim head coach.

I'm just realizing that I think we really are picking from the bottom of the barrel for head coaches.

Ok.. so using that logic… who was top of the barrel?

Johnson? A guy who has coached as many games as Moore? Zero. A guy who has fewer wins as a HC than Rizzi?

Glenn? A guy who has coached as many games as Moore? Zero. A guy who has fewer wins as a HC than Rizzi?

Coen? A guy who has coached as many games as Moore? Zero. A guy who has fewer wins as a HC than Rizzi?

Schottenhiemer? A guy who has coached as many games as Moore? Zero. A guy who has fewer wins as a HC than Rizzi?

Vrabel? Pete Carroll?

Who’s this top-tier coach we’ve missed out on?

I want to understand why there’s this sentiment that we’ve missed the boat on some slam-dunk coaching hire.

 

[j4m2b]

Does he bring the brotherly shove with him

 

[No2DC]

Ok.. so using that logic… who was top of the barrel?

Johnson? A guy who has coached as many games as Moore? Zero. A guy who has fewer wins as a HC than Rizzi?

Glenn? A guy who has coached as many games as Moore? Zero. A guy who has fewer wins as a HC than Rizzi?

Coen? A guy who has coached as many games as Moore? Zero. A guy who has fewer wins as a HC than Rizzi?

Schottenhiemer? A guy who has coached as many games as Moore? Zero. A guy who has fewer wins as a HC than Rizzi?

Vrabel? Pete Carroll?

Who’s this top-tier coach we’ve missed out on?

I want to understand why there’s this sentiment that we’ve missed the boat on some slam-dunk coaching hire.

Funny, no one said the first time HC were slam dunks. You just introduced a new metric. The only thing that has been said is that there were three favorites that the team was interested in. The only known guy is MM; everyone else is an educated guess.

 

[HouseCall]

Funny, no one said the first time HC were slam dunks. You just introduced a new metric. The only thing that has been said is that there were three favorites that the team was interested in. The only known guy is MM; everyone else is an educated guess.

But who said they were favorites? Did Loomis ever come out and say there was a favorite?

It’s all speculation based on what the fans want and not necessarily grounded in the reality that the present management is operating under.

The media and fan speculation was always Glenn due to his time coaching here - but there was never any legit connection between the team and Glenn prior to his taking the Jets job quickly after finishing the season with Detroit.

And I only mentioned first time coaches as a metric because the poster I was responding to mentioned skepticism towards Moore - but nobody seems to be dropping anxious skepticism towards the other completely unproven HCs that have been hired this cycle.


I’m still trying to understand the narrative on this board by so many, that we’ve missed out of someone.

 

[SaintRob]

Ok.. so using that logic… who was top of the barrel?

Johnson? A guy who has coached as many games as Moore? Zero. A guy who has fewer wins as a HC than Rizzi?

Glenn? A guy who has coached as many games as Moore? Zero. A guy who has fewer wins as a HC than Rizzi?

Coen? A guy who has coached as many games as Moore? Zero. A guy who has fewer wins as a HC than Rizzi?

Schottenhiemer? A guy who has coached as many games as Moore? Zero. A guy who has fewer wins as a HC than Rizzi?

Vrabel? Pete Carroll?

Who’s this top-tier coach we’ve missed out on?

I want to understand why there’s this sentiment that we’ve missed the boat on some slam-dunk coaching hire.

I don't see any of the hires so far as being a slam dunk. Only time will tell. At first glance, I'd say that Vrabel and Johnson probably have the best opportunity to be successful. But there's not any coach on that list that I feel like we've missed the boat on. McCarthy and Moore have just as good of a chance of being successful here as any of the coaches that have already been hired. McCarthy seems like a guy that could take the players we currently have and be more successful than Dennis Allen. Moore probably has a different vision and would want to design an offense around a mobile QB. Either way, the new coach is going to be hamstrung by aging vets and a bad cap situation for at least 2025 and maybe 2026. We're going to need a 2017 style draft to make a quick turnaround.

 

[ELLIASJWILLIAMS]

I don't see any of the hires so far as being a slam dunk. Only time will tell. At first glance, I'd say that Vrabel and Johnson probably have the best opportunity to be successful. But there's not any coach on that list that I feel like we've missed the boat on. McCarthy and Moore have just as good of a chance of being successful here as any of the coaches that have already been hired. McCarthy seems like a guy that could take the players we currently have and be more successful than Dennis Allen. Moore probably has a different vision and would want to design an offense around a mobile QB. Either way, the new coach is going to be hamstrung by aging vets and a bad cap situation for at least 2025 and maybe 2026. We're going to need a 2017 style draft to make a quick turnaround.

If he didn't show anything, it showed that he's hard to out coach. There won't be many games where he's just whipped by an opposing coordinator.

 

[HouseCall]

I don't see any of the hires so far as being a slam dunk. Only time will tell. At first glance, I'd say that Vrabel and Johnson probably have the best opportunity to be successful. But there's not any coach on that list that I feel like we've missed the boat on. McCarthy and Moore have just as good of a chance of being successful here as any of the coaches that have already been hired. McCarthy seems like a guy that could take the players we currently have and be more successful than Dennis Allen. Moore probably has a different vision and would want to design an offense around a mobile QB. Either way, the new coach is going to be hamstrung by aging vets and a bad cap situation for at least 2025 and maybe 2026. We're going to need a 2017 style draft to make a quick turnaround.

I agree with some of that for sure. And to clarify, the post I was replying to included the line…

I'm just realizing that I think we really are picking from the bottom of the barrel for head coaches.

Which to me, implies that our front office isn’t persuing a quality HC candidate because either - there aren’t any left or the team is intentionally seeking an underwhelming option.

What I was trying to say is that one of our remaining candidates is a coordinator that has never been a HC before - just like the other “hot” candidates I mentioned in my other post. But this coordinator happens to be preparing to coach in the Super Bowl - unlike Johnson and Glenn.

Another candidate is a former Super Bowl winning coach who’s had success at two stops, one of which under very difficult ownership/management conditions.

So it’s not all bad.

And again, I was really just trying to understand the sentiment that we are getting the coaching dregs. It doesn’t feel that way to me and I wonder why it does to so many.

 

[SaintStephen1]

Wake me up when the Dumpster Diving is over.

I can see McCarthy's agent saying... "Mike, Dallas did nothing for you to get to Canton, so care-taking or failing in New Orleans would be a career-ender. That team is rungs lower than the Cowboys were when you started there. And now your competition may be that annoying OC that you fired because he effed up three playoff games. Do you want to get beat out by that guy or even have to beat that guy?"

NFL teams, protect your dumpsters. Mickey's on the loose again.

There is not a soul, whether it be a GM (including Loomis), coach, scout, player, fan, concession worker or my wife who hates football who thinks Darren Rizzi is the best choice or even should be a candidate for any NFL HC job. So, if he’s the Saints’ pick, THE “TANK FOR ARCH”CAMPAIGN IS ON, BABY!!!

 

[HouseCall]

There is not a soul, whether it be a GM (including Loomis), coach, scout, player, fan, concession worker or my wife who hates football who thinks Darren Rizzi is the best choice or even should be a candidate for any NFL HC job. So, if he’s the Saints’ pick, THE “TANK FOR ARCH”CAMPAIGN IS ON, BABY!!!

Until Grandpa Archie tells him to avoid playing here and he stays in college.

Not sure if you are aware but the Mannings like to exert a little control over where they play.

 

[KYSaintsFan]

May I ask when did you start watching football?

Close to 50 years. And yes, I realize there are a lot of folks that are OC's that haven't figured that out. He might be fine. Maybe he's Kevin O'Connell. But I also saw what he did the year before with Herbert and the Charges offense. I'm just skeptical but if he hire him I will give him a chance.

 

[B4YOU]

If he didn't show anything, it showed that he's hard to out coach. There won't be many games where he's just whipped by an opposing coordinator.

Philly is #7 in regular season "points for". The Saints and Bucs were the only 2 games Philly scored less than 20 (Brown out 2 games and Smith out 1). They had only 5 games with less than 24pts scored. Hurts 2024 looks like his best 2022 version but with 100 less passing attempts. I think Moore has all the tools/players to win in Philly, but that doesn't take anything away from him. Fans shouldn't ding Moore for executing with talented players.

 

[Winter]

Will do. I couldn't find who is agent is, but I can add.

I can get behind a Kellen Moore hiring. He has the OC experience and being a coaches son puts it in his blood.

If it is Kellen Moore, then at 1.9 the New Orleans Saints select: RB Ashton Jeanty

I think this would be the most exciting outcome and it gives Rattler or whoever we go with someone to take the pressure off. Kamara and Jeanty would be a killer combo unless that opens the door for them to make a move with Kamara. We've put a lot of draft stock in the o-line in recent years, and with Penning showing progress I don't think we are not that far off from being an effective/good offense. I like that our top 2 remaining options will give us a good chance at being our building a dominant offense. With all the staff poaching happening right now, its going to be an entirely new deal in New Orleans next season.

 

[TruSaint]

Wasn't Moore who turned Dak into a beast that year he led the league?