Closer look at Kellen Moore in the NFCCG today (9 Viewers)

[MarylandWHODAT]

Kellen Moore is NOT head coach material at all. He is a good, not great, but good OC at best at this stage.

He's an X's and O's guy and not one who is fiery and that is what the Saints need. They need a new mentality to come in and shake things up.

 

[St. Geezy]

Kellen Moore is NOT head coach material at all. He is a good, not great, but good OC at best at this stage.

He's an X's and O's guy and not one who is fiery and that is what the Saints need. They need a new mentality to come in and shake things up.

Who is that “fiery” person in your mind?

 

[Nemo]

The posts above do a great job of discussing the pros and cons of McCarthy versus Moore. All opinions are valid; but without interviewing the candidates, listening to their plan and gauging their leadership qualities through interviews and gathering intel through league references (other coaches and players who have played for both) it's impossible for fans to really know who is the better fit for this job. Let's hope the Saints do a deep dive on both and make the right pick.

But regardless, I think the Saints are selecting between two good options (as good as any prospects hired in this coaching cycle).

 

[Deuuuuce]

Who is that “fiery” person in your mind?

I truly don’t see “fiery” as much of a desireable trait in a head coach. If a coach or a system is successful and everyone in the locker room is benefitting from it, then everyone will respect the coach. The players are professionals and grown men. They don’t need someone to yell at them to get motivated.

 

[MarylandWHODAT]

Who is that “fiery” person in your mind?

Fiery, passionate, energetic. I like Darren Rizzi's enthusiasm for the game and the players. Dan Campbell is another personality. Just a coach that motivates you. Gets you fired up and is a leader.

I truly don’t see “fiery” as much of a desireable trait in a head coach. If a coach or a system is successful and everyone in the locker room is benefitting from it, then everyone will respect the coach. The players are professionals and grown men. They don’t need someone to yell at them to get motivated.

Players don't need someone to yell at them but I can promise you, they want a leader who believes in them. Instills a sense of care. There are bosses and there are leaders. Dennis Allen was a boss and did nothing to get his players to buy in to whatever he was selling.

A leader will charge through that wall with you. He will care about the person while achieving a goal.

Yes, they are grown men but every job has morale, be it bad or good and it is something you cannot buy.

 

[BoNcHiE]

Fiery, passionate, energetic. I like Darren Rizzi's enthusiasm for the game and the players. Dan Campbell is another personality. Just a coach that motivates you. Gets you fired up and is a leader.

These discussions always come down to Dan Campbell.

Dan Campbell is one of 32 coaches in the league, and he's a lot more than just a fiery personality. Rizzi giving cringe locker room speeches does not make him Dan Campbell nor is a more technically-oriented coach necessarily less capable. Most of the coaches in the playoffs this year were above-average coordinators first.

 

[No2DC]

These discussions always come down to Dan Campbell.

Dan Campbell is one of 32 coaches in the league, and he's a lot more than just a fiery personality. Rizzi giving cringe locker room speeches does not make him Dan Campbell nor is a more technically-oriented coach necessarily less capable. Most of the coaches in the playoffs this year were above-average coordinators first.

I get your point, but the key question is how you determine whether a person is a leader. Tomlin spent one year as a coordinator with the Vikings before being hired by Pitt. That's not a standout coordinator in terms of performance. The story goes that he knocked the interview out the park. That said, there have been plenty of great coaches who were not "rah rah" types, like Joe Gibbs and Tony Dungy.

 

[triumph]

Who is that “fiery” person in your mind?

I think people got "the vapors" when Rizzi went scorched earth on the punter during the Giants game.

Note that it was the PUNTER, and not someone physically imposing.

 

[3ParStillDriver]

The posts above do a great job of discussing the pros and cons of McCarthy versus Moore. All opinions are valid; but without interviewing the candidates, listening to their plan and gauging their leadership qualities through interviews and gathering intel through league references (other coaches and players who have played for both) it's impossible for fans to really know who is the better fit for this job. Let's hope the Saints do a deep dive on both and make the right pick.

But regardless, I think the Saints are selecting between two good options (as good as any prospects hired in this coaching cycle).

Why are we discounting Rizzi from the options? Regardless of what our thoughts are on him, the Loomis desire for continuation gives him significant leverage for the job. Then something happened (we have no idea what) but Underhill made a post about Rizzi wow'ing the front office with his plans and vision that Underhill ended up removing.

If anything, he seems like the front runner more so then the other two. I understand the storm, but there also seemed zero urgency to interview McCarthy whereas we're seeing plenty of urgency with Moore and saw urgency with Rizzi.

 

[Dallas_Saint73]

I think people got "the vapors" when Rizzi went scorched earth on the punter during the Giants game.

Note that it was the PUNTER, and not someone physically imposing.

That and they got the vibe of him being fiery due to his interviews.

Personally, I don't care if fiery or not. Just give me someone who knows X's and O's and can hold players accountable.

 

[Covington Saint]

Why are we discounting Rizzi from the options?

 

[guillermo]

Moore would be an idiot not to ride Barkley with that OL. Hurts is not even as good a passer as Dak. . I still think it's MM's job

The biggest criticism Moore had during his Dallas days was that he tended to abandon the run game too quickly.

With the results he has gotten with Barkley, I think he has learned his lesson.

Kellen Moore is NOT head coach material at all. He is a good, not great, but good OC at best at this stage.

He's an X's and O's guy and not one who is fiery and that is what the Saints need. They need a new mentality to come in and shake things up.

OK, Moore was one of those projects from Jerry Jones. When McCarthy was hired, one condition was to keep Moore. Jones saw Moore as a talented play caller, but also as a good leader that will turn into a good head coach once he got experience. But he left Dallas as a scape goat of the failures of the team during the postseason.

Where is this idea that Moore is the front runner ? Just because they might go to Philly to interview him?
I think it's still MM's job unless Moore just wows them .
These rumblings you talking about go against what REBELMAX has said that MM has been pushing for the job through all the back channels

I think flying to Philly is quite telling. But to be honest, I am not sure if Moore will be interested to take the job. He has to decide which situation is better, to stay in Philly with that offense and take the job he may want (as we saw with Ben Johnson) or sign to a rebuild project with limited resources with the saints.

As for McCarthy, it is the safe hire by Loomis since he knows him well, and has worked with him and Randy Mueller. This is a status quo signing. Continuity will be the name of the game.

 

[3ParStillDriver]

As for McCarthy, it is the safe hire by Loomis since he knows him well, and has worked with him and Randy Mueller. This is a status quo signing. Continuity will be the name of the game.

As well as Rizzi.

 

[KYSaintsFan]

There is nothing about Moore that excites me. Has the best back and best line in football with above average receivers and their offense is Barkley opening up the passing game a little. I just feel like anyone with half a brain could have done that.

 

[TenTwo]

There is nothing about Moore that excites me. Has the best back and best line in football with above average receivers and their offense is Barkley opening up the passing game a little. I just feel like anyone with half a brain could have done that.

May I ask when did you start watching football?