Could Derek Carr be a post-June 1 cut? (1 Viewer)

[BayouSAINTJoe]

Unfortunately he's our best QB...but that's what happens when you let a known loser handpick his QB.

He's ours until at least 2027 - that hurt to say aloud

 

[tim martin]

We honestly need to do nothing, restructure nothing, be the worst team in the NFL next year, let these bad salaries clear

agreed but with carr we win 7 games and never get a top 5 pick for a qb

 

[sfidc3]

Carr may not be the answer, but he is perfect to build a solid roster around him, and give time for recruiting and/or develop a young Qb.

We need a solid offensive line and more weapons before giving the qb position to a rookie.

This above, it would be foolish to cut Carr at this point.....

 

[MG3n2K5]

Good article, but the idea that Carr is going to agree to losing 28.5M to reduce his salary and be post-June 1 cut is ludicrous. He has zero incentive to take that deal. He wants to play football and no team (except us) will pay him 40M to play next year.

I actually covered this possibility. If there is another team willing to pay him 25-30M behind the scenes (like I said unlikely) then he could reduce his salary to something like a $5M guaranteed contract so the Saints can release him as a June 1st cut.

But yeah, without another team in the background being interested that's a no go and I can't see another team agreeing to that before free agency starts. There might be some interest later after teams have struck out in free agency with Darnold or another QB but Carr will already be restructured by then.

 

[saint_drago]

We honestly need to do nothing, restructure nothing, be the worst team in the NFL next year, let these bad salaries clear

This. Stop the madness. Stop jumping through hoops unless you're forced to in order to reach cap compliance. Take it on the chin until you right the ship. For the life of me I can't understand why they choose take make it so difficult. And stop with the, "Loomis knows what he's doing, it's all part of the plan. He's just ahead of the curve using tomorrow's money today. It's genius when you think about it." I'm not trying to hear that noise anymore.

 

[DCSaints_Fan]

Carr will get restructured to save and look at a 2026 cut. I believe you can only do 2 post June 1 cuts. I look for Ram to redo his contract to a base pay and then be a June 1 cut. Then you can do 1 more.

You can do as many post June 1st cuts as you want. However you can only do two cuts prior to June 1st while having them count as post-June 1st.

If we cut Carr, his dead cap is $50 m. If we designate. him post June 1st, then its spread out over two years, we would save $25m.

 

[DCSaints_Fan]

How do retirements factor into the cap?

Pretty much the same as a cut, but they lose any guaranteed money that hasn't already been paid out, unless its injury related, in which case there is usually some mutual injury settlement worked out. Also I think if there is a roster bonus after the league year starts but before the season starts, you have to intend to play that year. Otherwise you would see guys still on contracts retire after they get their roster bonuses.

 

[Steve in Colorado]

I'm not up on cap maneuvering like some of you guys, but I agree with Mike Triplett that there's no way the Saints should pay Carr $40 million next year.

 

[MG3n2K5]

You can do as many post June 1st cuts as you want. However you can only do two cuts prior to June 1st while having them count as post-June 1st.

If we cut Carr, his dead cap is $50 m. If we designate. him post June 1st, then its spread out over two years, we would save $25m.

If you designate him, his cap number will still be $50M until June 1st then you'd get $30M knocked off. Problem is that you have to be cap compliant in early March.

 

[B4YOU]

I actually covered this possibility. If there is another team willing to pay him 25-30M behind the scenes (like I said unlikely) then he could reduce his salary to something like a $5M guaranteed contract so the Saints can release him as a June 1st cut.

But yeah, without another team in the background being interested that's a no go and I can't see another team agreeing to that before free agency starts. There might be some interest later after teams have struck out in free agency with Darnold or another QB but Carr will already be restructured by then.

As @Rouxble pointed out, Carr was contract inflexible with LVR. Zero reason to think he helps us.

Carr has a “no trade” clause. The only route would be Carr agreeing to salary being converted to option/roster bonuses and us asking Tenn/NYG if they want a mentor for the rookie QB they draft for a 7th and Carr agreeing to that all before the 3rd day of the league year. That still leaves us 40M and 11M dead cap over the next two years. We can’t cap manage a 40M dead cap hit. Finding great value at QB is a route to winning. Carr isn’t great value. Loomis overpaid with the 20M in roster bonuses and “no trade clause”.

 

[MG3n2K5]

As @Rouxble pointed out, Carr was contract inflexible with LVR. Zero reason to think he helps us.

Carr has a “no trade” clause. The only route would be Carr agreeing to salary being converted to option/roster bonuses and us asking Tenn/NYG if they want a mentor for the rookie QB they draft for a 7th and Carr agreeing to that all before the 3rd day of the league year. That still leaves us 40M and 11M dead cap over the next two years. We can’t cap manage a 40M dead cap hit. Finding great value at QB is a route to winning. Carr isn’t great value. Loomis overpaid with the 20M in roster bonuses and “no trade clause”.

The theory is he would do it to help himself get in a better situation, not help the Saints out. But like I said they'd need to be another team out there willing to cover his base salary (BEFORE FREE AGENCY START), very unlikely.

I don't see any situation where Carr helps facilitate a trade for even a 7th round pick.

 

[dvdman]

If you still plan on winning next season then no. It would be a huge mistake if it happen and but won’t happen.
Unless you have the next Patrick
Mahomes in the draft and you have the number pick.

 

[DCSaints_Fan]

The theory is he would do it to help himself get in a better situation, not help the Saints out. But like I said they'd need to be another team out there willing to cover his base salary (BEFORE FREE AGENCY START), very unlikely.

I don't see any situation where Carr helps facilitate a trade for even a 7th round pick.

He might not like the next Saints HC.

I don't think he would do it to be a backup, but there are a few teams where he might start that need a QB, but don't have an replacement and might not like this years draft class and/or not be in a position to draft one. Such as the Colts.

 

[Cajun Mike]

No more restructuring , no more kicking the can down the road. If that means we suck for a couple of years. Then so be it.