Could Kingsbury replicate his offense with Spencer Rattler? (1 Viewer)

[St. Widge]

He shows flashes, and I get that, but the odds that a fifth-round guy will turn into a franchise quarterback or even a solid backup are quite low. The pragmatic route is to go with Carr and look for a quarterback in the first round in 2026. Every guy in the NFL has potential, but this fantasy that a mid-round guy will be elite just because he was a top recruit in high school is unrealistic.

Carr is the pragmatic route and probably what a HC would want.

As far as Rattler, I think he showed he has everything you need to be very good. He needs to work on his ball placement and timing. And he also needs to learn not to put the ball in bad situations when pressing, but the only way to really improve on those things is to play. I'm not sure he will be good, but he has a much better shot at it than Haener. And, the only way to find out is for him to play.

And as someone already pointed out, playing Carr probably means you win too many games to be in position to draft a QB in 2026. If that means playoffs, then great. but if that means 7 or 8 wins, it's not a great position to be in.

At any rate, the next HC is going to have to figure out what to do long term at QB. Whether you think he's terrible or good, he's not going to be the long term answer given his age.

 

[St. Widge]

Yeah it’s definitely McCarthy for me. I know he’ll have offense covered. And I feel confident he’ll get us a good DC. With Glenn it’s all going to be scary to me.

If I knew that Glenn would come in and be a CEO coach that hired a DC that would run the defense and call plays, I'd like him more, although not more than McCarthy. But I'm not sure if he is going to do that.

 

[St. Widge]

There is no chance any new coach will play Rattler unless the starter and backup are both out. I don’t think he’ll be on the roster next season.

Rattler is the backup. I don't see this team spending a bunch of money on a vet QB as a backup.

There is a 100% chance Rattler is on the roster next year. There is no reason he would not be unless they take a QB in the first round which seems really unlikely.

 

[Saint Greg]

If I knew that Glenn would come in and be a CEO coach that hired a DC that would run the defense and call plays, I'd like him more, although not more than McCarthy. But I'm not sure if he is going to do that.

That’s tough because then you end up in the Dan Campbell situation where he had to deal with both coordinators interviewing for jobs during the playoffs and now he has to replace both coordinators. I want to stay away from that.

 

[St. Widge]

That’s tough because then you end up in the Dan Campbell situation where he had to deal with both coordinators interviewing for jobs during the playoffs and now he has to replace both coordinators. I want to stay away from that.

It's certainly not my preference, but I guess Glenn could take over the defense if he can't find the DC he wanted. I just wish Glenn coached the offensive side of the ball.

 

[BayouSAINTJoe]

That’s tough because then you end up in the Dan Campbell situation where he had to deal with both coordinators interviewing for jobs during the playoffs and now he has to replace both coordinators. I want to stay away from that.

Exactly...we need an offensive minded HC that owns the system. He can farm out playcalling to the OC to build their profile for their own advancement but the system needs to be his.

Otherwise you're walking right into an Ed Ogeron @ LSU situation and once the actual coaching talent leaves you're screwed

 

[No2DC]

Rattler is the backup. I don't see this team spending a bunch of money on a vet QB as a backup.

There is a 100% chance Rattler is on the roster next year. There is no reason he would not be unless they take a QB in the first round which seems really unlikely.

Jake is out.

 

[IceHot]

He shows flashes, and I get that, but the odds that a fifth-round guy will turn into a franchise quarterback or even a solid backup are quite low.

Odds are low but there are plenty of examples of solid QBs that have come from mid and later rounds.

Is Rattler that guy - doubt it. Though, a little spark of hope goes a long way around here. Heck, plenty on here were overly excited after our first two offensive showings of the year.

Some not to distant examples of reasonable talent...

• Rich Gannon (4th)
• Fitzmagick (7th)
• Romo (UDFA)
• Bulger (6th)
• Hassleback (6th)
• Brunell (5th)
• Cousins (4th)
• Dak (4th)

That being said I fully expect are QB for next year to be Carr (provided he is healthy).

 

[Saint Greg]

Otherwise you're walking right into an Ed Ogeron @ LSU situation and once the actual coaching talent leaves you're screwed

Yep. I believe if Burrow and Brady didn’t come along when they did O would’ve been fired and not gotten that big extension.

Odds are low but there are plenty of examples of solid QBs that have come from mid and later rounds.

Is Rattler that guy - doubt it. Though, a little spark of hope goes a long way around here. Heck, plenty on here were overly excited after our first two offensive showings of the year.

Some not to distant examples of reasonable talent...

• Rich Gannon (4th)
• Fitzmagick (7th)
• Romo (UDFA)
• Bulger (6th)
• Hassleback (6th)
• Brunell (5th)
• Cousins (4th)
• Dak (4th)

That being said I fully expect are QB for next year to be Carr (provided he is healthy).

Times have changed. QBs are getting over drafted now. How many you got in the last decade? Purdy and who else?

 

[treeduck]

But I like drugs.

 

[madsaint1967]

I'd love to see what Kingsbury could do with Rattler, or any young QB we draft over the next 2 years.

McCarthy is high on my list, but I have Kingsbury equally as high. Something about the guy, I get the feeling that he's learned a ton from his struggles in Arizona and Dan Quinn was the perfect coach for him to learn from in regards to setting the right culture.

The quarterback list he’s coached is pretty impressive: Mahomes, Caleb Williams, Baker, Murray, Daniels, not a bad list.

 

[IceHot]

Yep. I believe if Burrow and Brady didn’t come along when they did O would’ve been fired and not gotten that big extension.


Times have changed. QBs are getting over drafted now. How many you got in the last decade? Purdy and who else?

True, they certainly are takling lots in round 1.

Although because of that overdrafting in round1, there isnt necessarily a large distinction between Rattler drafted in the 2nd or Rattler drafted in the 5th as there were no QBs drafted in the 2nd, 3rd, or 4th. Dak 8th QB selected in his draft class, Rattler 7th in his.

Nonetheless, Im not going to make an argument for Rattler when Carr will do just fine for the position we are in.

 

[Saint Greg]

True, they certainly are takling lots in round 1.

Although because of that overdrafting in round1, there isnt necessarily a large distinction between Rattler drafted in the 2nd or Rattler drafted in the 5th as there were no QBs drafted in the 2nd, 3rd, or 4th. Dak 8th QB selected in his draft class, Rattler 7th in his.

Nonetheless, Im not going to make an argument for Rattler when Carr will do just fine for the position we are in.

Dak was such a better player as a rookie. We’re talking a guy who threw 23 TDs and 4 INTs vs. a guy who threw 4 TDs and 5 INTs. But even with what Dak is he isn’t good enough. Neither is Purdy. You can win with them but you won’t win because of them. And if you can’t win because of them, they aren’t worth the big money. So I think if the 49ers pay Purdy top dollar it will be a big mistake.

 

[webster]

Rattler is the backup. I don't see this team spending a bunch of money on a vet QB as a backup.

There is a 100% chance Rattler is on the roster next year. There is no reason he would not be unless they take a QB in the first round which seems really unlikely.

Unless he gets beat out for third string. I think Carr is locked in as the starter. A new coach will likely bring in a young qb he thinks can push Carr and he’ll have other including Haener and Rattler fighting for the third spot. Rattlers not a lock to win that spot. No one is safe after a handful of starters, like Kamara and a couple and a few others.