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If you think talking about doing something is Draconian, you probably need to read up on the meaning of Draconian. And you clearly need to spend some time reading the Constitution.
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If you think talking about doing something is Draconian, you probably need to read up on the meaning of Draconian. And you clearly need to spend some time reading the Constitution.
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Understood... everyone will have a different personal experience based on what they expose themselves to daily, or lack of experiences....
Hypothetical question: You are driving. You see a car drive off the road with an old lady in it. The car goes into a canal filled with water. The car has a political bumper sticker on it that doesn't fit your political beliefs. Is that going to stop you from helping that old lady?
I would think the answer would be close to near everyone helping despite the difference in political affiliation... but that's just me.... and that's the type of thing I am talking about... when it comes to the things in life that really matter (I.e. life and livelihood) the partisan garbage means squat.... and those that cling to it lack perspective and have too much time on their hands... we need only to tune out the extremes to move forward.
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Colorado's Stay-At-Home Order Will End, Gov. Polis Says, Outlining A New Phase Of Coronavirus 'Marathon'
Colorado's next coronavirus phase: Elective surgeries will be back on. Retail stores can open, kind of. But there will still be a lot of rules.www.cpr.org
Once the curve is flattening, start phased reopening... this doesn't have to be a partisan bitchfest.
It doesn't, but it's hard for it not to be when the guy who issued these guidelines https://www.whitehouse.gov/openingamerica/ is not encouraging people to ignore them.
As far as New Orleans, I don't think we have even met the guidelines to enter Phase One so any talk of really starting to open up is probably premature. When we do meet them, it's time to start the process.
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I think there needs to be more discussion on how we can continue to mitigate the spread of the virus while we start to open things up. The argument shouldn't be stay home indefinitely or return to normal immediately. The stay home orders were a response to a rapidly unfolding situation, but they were never going to be the long term answer. Meanwhile, there's a narrative starting to get pushed that it was all overblown (apparently oblivious to the 40000+ dead in the last month with most of the country under stay home orders) that could put us back into that situation.
We need to be looking at and talking about how we can move forward with our lives while expecting that the virus could be with us for the next couple of years (i.e. avoiding large crowds, masks in public, abundance of hand sanitizer, maintaining personal distancing, etc.). It shouldn't be about sacrificing lives vs. livelihoods, but more so about what sacrifices in conveniences we can make that allow us to protect both.
We need to be looking at and talking about how we can move forward with our lives while expecting that the virus could be with us for the next couple of years (i.e. avoiding large crowds, masks in public, abundance of hand sanitizer, maintaining personal distancing, etc.). It shouldn't be about sacrificing lives vs. livelihoods, but more so about what sacrifices in conveniences we can make that allow us to protect both.
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And once again I prove my math skills absolutely suck. Thanks for correcting meTo be fair, I did say I'd rather that data be per capita, not per confirmed case.
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7/315 is 0.02222 which is 2.22%.
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Frustration is mounting as more families across the U.S. enter their second or even third week of distance learning — and some overwhelmed parents say it will be their last.
Amid the barrage of learning apps, video meet-ups and e-mailed assignments that pass as pandemic home school, some frustrated and exhausted parents are choosing to disconnect entirely for the rest of the academic year.
Others are cramming all their children’s school work into the weekend or taking days off work to help their kids with a week’s worth of assignments in one day.
“We tried to make it work the first week. We put together a schedule, and what we found is that forcing a child who is that young into a fake teaching situation is really, really hard,” said Alexandra Nicholson, whose son is in kindergarten in a town outside Boston.
“I’d rather have him watch classic Godzilla movies and play in the yard and pretend to be a Jedi rather than figure out basic math.”
That stress is only compounded for families with multiple children in different grades, or when parents work long hours outside the home. In some cases, older siblings must watch younger ones during the day, leaving no time for school work............
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Amid the barrage of learning apps, video meet-ups and e-mailed assignments that pass as pandemic home school, some frustrated and exhausted parents are choosing to disconnect entirely for the rest of the academic year.
Others are cramming all their children’s school work into the weekend or taking days off work to help their kids with a week’s worth of assignments in one day.
“We tried to make it work the first week. We put together a schedule, and what we found is that forcing a child who is that young into a fake teaching situation is really, really hard,” said Alexandra Nicholson, whose son is in kindergarten in a town outside Boston.
“I’d rather have him watch classic Godzilla movies and play in the yard and pretend to be a Jedi rather than figure out basic math.”
That stress is only compounded for families with multiple children in different grades, or when parents work long hours outside the home. In some cases, older siblings must watch younger ones during the day, leaving no time for school work............
"I just can't do this." Harried parents forgo home school
Frustration is mounting as more families across the U.S. enter their second or even third week of distance learning — and some overwhelmed parents say it will be their last.
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This thread isn't the right place for the discussion and we've probably gone on with it too long in this thread already so I'll make this my last response. No disrespect to you or shutting down the conversation, just the right discussion in the wrong place.
Yes, I think most people would help. I think after that most people with the same political affiliation will sympathize with her and most with the opposite would figure out why going into that canal was her fault and/or the fault of the politicians she supports who should have made sure the road was safe. Both sides would completely make up facts about the lady, the road and the politicians in an effort to elevate her as a hero or cast her as an ignorant dupe. Eventually, everyone will forget what happened and why and fall back into partisan arguments that have nothing to do with the old lady. She will just ultimately be an open door for their tribal war.
And lord help us if she's in the country illegally or in any of the other categories of "others". I mean, she never would have been in that canal if she wasn't here illegally. Or if she were a Trump supporter she probably deserved to be in that canal , ami'right?
It's more complex than what we do at the moment. It's about how we perceive, react and socialize in the long term. In the moment we are great. Over time we aren't a country anymore, just two tribes at war.
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"Flattening the curve" is a phrase that has been used absolutely irresponsibly by leaders. It gives off this false sense of security that somehow the "worst" is passed us. This completely ignores the possibility that two weeks from any opening we could be worse off than a supposed height.
I still dont think we have the infrastructure in place. Is there enough supply of masks out there for joe or jane to waltz into x store and buy? Nope, not even close and telling people to just "make your own" isnt good enough for mass opening proceedures.
3 weeks ago I saw more people using masks than I did at the store today. I wonder if thats because the "flatten the curve" buzzword is giving off a false sense of security. The reality is, we as a socitey have only done enough to not overwhelm our health care systems.
I still dont think we have the infrastructure in place. Is there enough supply of masks out there for joe or jane to waltz into x store and buy? Nope, not even close and telling people to just "make your own" isnt good enough for mass opening proceedures.
3 weeks ago I saw more people using masks than I did at the store today. I wonder if thats because the "flatten the curve" buzzword is giving off a false sense of security. The reality is, we as a socitey have only done enough to not overwhelm our health care systems.
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This is absolutely correct. In the end this is a virus. One that can be dramatically slowed down with keeping distance, sanitation improvements, and to an extent mask usage. It works, and works very well. I dunno in other places, but food delivery and pickups of things I honestly enjoy, and will keep doing no matter what happens. I get my panda delivered instead of going out, standing in line, all that fine by me. Do an internet order for groceries and pick them up and they load them. Sweet. Love it. Some things coming out of this are good. I also know a lot of people after rebuilding family ties and getting to spend more time with their kids aren’t in a real hurry to go back to the rat race as it was. So that will be interesting also. The other thing is that by enforcing employers to do health screenings and mandating sick time it will allow sick people to stay home rather than go in and infect more people. There is a lot of low hanging fruit so to speak that can open a lot of this back up. Larger things, concerts, sporting events, conferences maybe not yet. But opening stores to go shopping and such, yeah if policies are thoughtfully made and enforced I see no issues.
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We definitely meet the "gating criteria" to get to Phase One in terms of testing and symptoms (14 day positive trend). Depending on who you talk to, we also meet the medical/hospital availability.
I understand the need for caution but LaToya is operating as aribtrarily as anyone involved and is doing it without consultation with any of her regional peers, business leaders, etc.
She's pissed off and digging in her heels. I mean, NOPD checkpoints? It's a joke.
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As a teacher, I’ll say this even though it’s probably not the politically correct thing to do. I agree with her. I think distance learning is a near joke, and teaching a new concept is almost ridiculous. Distance learning doesn’t work unless a teacher is there to explain. That’s why I’m interested to see if we go back in the fall and still practicing social distancing if we don’t do half class in the am half class in the afternoon, fit our instruction tightly in, then allow home time to do the work. Next day go over and assign. I’m expecting very little to no learning in all honesty happening.
But I do like seeing frustrated parents who so hope I stay healthy so they don’t have to do this much longer.
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Like a lot of local officials, she's in over her head. We saw a lot of the same thing during Katrina. In general, local officials don't have the base of knowledge to handle this kind of crisis.
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I don't disagree that LaToya is currently going off the rails. But, I think up to this point, she has been doing an okay job in this crisis. As far as opening up, I'm not sure that we are on a 14 day downward trend although I could be wrong. I have been trying to find a good graph for just Orleans over the last 14 days and I can't find one so maybe we are.
That being said, I don't have an issue with opening up to elective medical procedures at this point if the hospitals in New Orleans are saying they are ready.
But as far as other regional leaders, I guess input is always a good thing, but the same things aren't going to apply in each area of the region. The concerns and demographics are different. And, it's not like J.P., St. Tammy, St. Bernard, etc. consulted with Orleans on anything now or in the past. And, I think LaToya is listening to the city health coordinator who is a doctor. And, the City Counsel, several of which I think are much better at all of this than LaToya seems to be behind her so I don't think she's going totally off the rails in that she has consensus from the City Council. (Probably not so much on the current order for NOPD to conduct pretextual stops.)
And yeah, she is pissed off and digging her heels in which she shouldn't be doing. But, at the same point, we have civic "leaders" like Jay Batt who feel the need to grandstand with ads in the newspaper to specifically try to undermine her authority. Her reaction is wrong, but nobody needs to hear from Jay Batt during a crisis.
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I was talking to a friend the other day about how, in general, the skills required to get elected to office are pretty much only applicable to get elected to office and don't really qualify or prepare you to do anything required of the actual job. A lot local officials are pretty incompetent at their actual jobs because the "interview" (election) process has nothing to do with actual qualification unless you're running as an incumbent. And even then it often only somewhat factors in. It's a weird way to choose leaders, but I'm not going to pretend to have a better idea.
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