COVID-19 Outbreak (Update: More than 2.9M cases and 132,313 deaths in US) (2 Viewers)

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I'm trying to understand the mentality that we have to re-open now. Why not pass legislation that provides money for workers who cannot work right now, something akin to a Universal Basic Income? Yes, it will involve having to reorganize the budget and spend less on the military or other such programs, but we're in an emergency.
 
FootballLady said:
I'm trying to understand the mentality that we have to re-open now. Why not pass legislation that provides money for workers who cannot work right now, something akin to a Universal Basic Income? Yes, it will involve having to reorganize the budget and spend less on the military or other such programs, but we're in an emergency.
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bc this admin/congress would rather people die than to be proven wrong about basic assumptions of government and business

to SFLA's point we stand zero chance of talking the virus into being less contagious and deadly - but that's about the same chance of convincing some current political leaders that people's health should be 1st priority

the virus/stay at home mandate is not a economy killer, it is a killer for THIS economy - the virus can't be made to change, the only thing we CAN change is the economy - but we won't - at least until the Fall
 
guidomerkinsrules said:
bc this admin/congress would rather people die than to be proven wrong about basic assumptions of government and business

to SFLA's point we stand zero chance of talking the virus into being less contagious and deadly - but that's about the same chance of convincing some current political leaders that people's health should be 1st priority

the virus/stay at home mandate is not a economy killer, it is a killer for THIS economy - the virus can't be made to change, the only thing we CAN change is the economy - but we won't - at least until the Fall
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When we entered WWII, we reorganized our economy and daily life in order to meet the challenges at home and abroad. Are we just no longer that nation?
 
FootballLady said:
When we entered WWII, we reorganized our economy and daily life in order to meet the challenges at home and abroad. Are we just no longer that nation?
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IMO the difference lies in patriotism and a visible enemy. And probably in leadership. A war will bring about a desire to defend the country and protect the American way of life. In modern times, we saw it with the 1st Gulf War and then after 9/11. I have no doubt if this virus was a country attacking Americans the response would be different.
 
Rickboy said:
I’ve got a UV box for my phones and a UV light wand to disinfect surfaces like computer keyboards. That, along with a lot of hand washing is my primary defense. So far so good (knock on wood).
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Do you have a link to any of those products to purchase? I will more than likely be traveling again starting late May or June and it would be nice to have something like this. I had looked at the "Phone Soap" a few weeks ago that is advertised on Sirius radio and seen an ad on the Book of Faces, but reading those comments it looks like they upped the price from $30 to $80 and people are saying it broke after a few months. The light wands on Amazon are flooded, I think China watches the daily press conferences and floods the market with whatever is being discussed.
 
FootballLady said:
I'm trying to understand the mentality that we have to re-open now. Why not pass legislation that provides money for workers who cannot work right now, something akin to a Universal Basic Income? Yes, it will involve having to reorganize the budget and spend less on the military or other such programs, but we're in an emergency.
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Totally agree.

However, I don’t care who or how many people say “open things up’ many folks that I am seeing are using their own brain & they are being very careful.

I have a little rescue pup, that sadly became very sick, so I had to run 3 different errands. I had to drop something off for my pup’s Cardiologist, and the doctor could not even come out of the building.

We still have minimal traffic, even at rush hour.
I noticed a lot of construction workers out, but all with masks on, and all doing social distancing. I was happy for them that they are getting a paycheck for them and their family.

I still think that the MAJORITY of peeps are scared for themselves & their families & they value their health above all......if that is in any way possible, without starving.
 
Lustmord said:
oh since all the protests ...?
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Would be interesting to see if this is a legitimate correlation or if it's something else. I suspect we're gonna see spread in areas which haven't been hit yet. There are large swaths that have notably few cases. Areas that I think are really susceptible because so few have been exposed yet. They get a false sense of security, and whammo. They'll start seeing cases pop up.

But these protests with minimal levels of social distancing shouldn't be resulting in noticable spread for 10-14 days, I would think.

I think we're opening back up a bit too soon. I'd wait another month to see if the .mitigation measures continue to keep the cases low. At least maybe those opening up now will show whether it's a good idea or not.

The thing is, as a country, we seem to not be learning much from what's happening in other nations. Meh.
 
FootballLady said:
When we entered WWII, we reorganized our economy and daily life in order to meet the challenges at home and abroad. Are we just no longer that nation?
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We are no longer that nation. We are far more politically, culturally, and economically balkanized. Huge chunks of our population are cynical to the point of social self harm (this is what leads to all the conspiracies and other nonsense). Its hard to get everyone on the same page when people have embraced ruthless partisanship as a part of their personal identities.

But there are other factors at play, too. That America was much more agrarian. There were many more small and local businesses that were easier to manage as opposed to sprawling corproations.Far more people controlled their day to day lives than in this rancid gig economy we allowed to happen. Things were, in terms of both personal and national commerce and business, substantially less complex than they are now.

And that's not even factoring in the fact that fighting a war, even the largest ever, comes with material and tangible goals that fighting a virus doesn't. Going to work in a factory in America during WW2 didn't come with inherent risks just by going to work. It does now.
 
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