COVID-19 Outbreak (Update: More than 2.9M cases and 132,313 deaths in US) (4 Viewers)

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Thats only if you assume that being in a depression wont result in a loss of life

Being in a massive depression will result in a large loss of life between crime, suicide, and a degeneration of the health care system. I am not prepared to compare which is worse, but it is naive to think that there wont be a huge loss of life resulting from a depression
This is a possible death vs guaranteed death. I guess we view things philosophically different. I don't think people who think like you do will never see it the way people who think like I do and vice versa. Imminent and certain death vs hypothetical maybe death. SMH. I can't get with you on this one.
 
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This is a possible death vs guaranteed. I guess we view things philosophically different. I don't think people who think like you do will never see it the way people who think like I do. Imminent and certain death vs hypothetical maybe death. SMH. I can't get with you on this one.

I haven't really heard of a spike in depression/suicide deaths. I'm sure there might be an uptick, but oddly enough, one of my kids who was suffering from depression before the stay at home started, and since then, she's actually improved quite a bit.

I know it's anecdotal, but I think people are a bit more resilient than we give them credit for, even during stressful and trying times.

I'm more concerned about economic factors where people are not able to actually pay their bills because of the lack of work. They need to be able to feed their families and have basic support to survive. Many were already living month to month and the $1200 was a drop in the bucket for a lot of people. If Congress is still twiddling their thumbs while businesses remain closed for another month, I wouldn't be surprised to see some serious unrest at some point in the coming weeks.
 
I saw that about the strokes, and have heard about clotting issues beforehand. It may explain the people who just fall over dead from this. But, it’s also one of those things that I wonder total numbers and if this is a relatively small number that simply is getting blown up with media fear. To me kinda like tho while liberty people. In a couple of states there may have been larger numbers, but here in CA none of them were even at 50 people even though the media tried to play it off as a movement.

A handful of people have clotting issues and strike out. Something to be aware of and yes it’s dangerous. But I guess I’ve become numb to the fear. It’s very serious, and I’ve stayed home so much I’ve had to charge the batteries in my vehicles because they haven’t been getting used. But, I mean, this is turning into a circus on one side and the apocalypse on the other.
Better to drive to nowhere than to let your battery die IMHO. You don't need a mask and gloves if you stay in your vehicle for a half hour' s drive.
 
Y'know, everybody seems to take it as a given that another Great Depression will kill people at a high rate and there's some intersection point where quarantining (and the resulting economic effects) becomes more deadly than the virus.

Only, what if that isn't so?
There aren’t a ton of things you can get economists to all agree on, but the one thing they seem to agree on is that the economy will be a lot worse if we lift social distancing practices too soon:

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and research looking into the 1918 pandemic further backs this up:


People seem to be scared of a tension that really doesn’t exist. Being more diligent on the front end is better for everyone, health wise and economically, over the longer term.

And in a globalized economy one of the things that is really concerning is America failing to do enough now and this dragging out for months or years while other countries that were more diligent in their social distancing and test and tracing practices, get up and running and have enormous competitive advantages because we can’t get our stuff straight with the virus.
 
Better to drive to nowhere than to let your battery die IMHO. You don't need a mask and gloves if you stay in your vehicle for a half hour' s drive.

Oh I know. I’ve just gotten at zen with this door dash, work from home, exercise at home, bike ride thing I’ve gotten into. Simple life and I’m enjoying it.
 
There aren’t a ton of things you can get economists to all agree on, but the one thing they seem to agree on is that the economy will be a lot worse if we lift social distancing practices too soon:

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and research looking into the 1918 pandemic further backs this up:


People seem to be scared of a tension that really doesn’t exist. Being more diligent on the front end is better for everyone, health wise and economically, over the longer term.

And in a globalized economy one of the things that is really concerning is America failing to do enough now and this dragging out for months or years while other countries that were more diligent in their social distancing and test and tracing practices, get up and running and have enormous competitive advantages because we can’t get our stuff straight with the virus.
Unfortunately reopening the economy has nothing to do with the long haul. It has everything to do with getting the economy rolling in the right direction by the first week of November.
 
We are no longer that nation. We are far more politically, culturally, and economically balkanized. Huge chunks of our population are cynical to the point of social self harm (this is what leads to all the conspiracies and other nonsense). Its hard to get everyone on the same page when people have embraced ruthless partisanship as a part of their personal identities.

But there are other factors at play, too. That America was much more agrarian. There were many more small and local businesses that were easier to manage as opposed to sprawling corproations.Far more people controlled their day to day lives than in this rancid gig economy we allowed to happen. Things were, in terms of both personal and national commerce and business, substantially less complex than they are now.

And that's not even factoring in the fact that fighting a war, even the largest ever, comes with material and tangible goals that fighting a virus doesn't. Going to work in a factory in America during WW2 didn't come with inherent risks just by going to work. It does now.
Bro, over the years I have loved reading your posts (especially when it comes to anything comic book-related). In fact, you are one of my favorite posters and I have to say, I will be using this word that I had never heard of until reading this post. Thank you. I LOVE learning new words and their meanings and this word is so ************* appropriate that it isn't even funny. You nailed it.
 
Now this from ER doctors in Bakersfield, CA.
I'm not saying I advocate what these doctors are saying. I'm just putting it out here because I do think it needs to be part of the debate.

Pro: These are medical professionals who are dealing with the virus up front and in person, so their opinions have some validity

Con: They are in a small town, and the reality concerning the subject of the danger of spreading the virus in small towns is very different to the reality of the danger in large cities.

 
Now this from ER doctors in Bakersfield, CA.
I'm not saying I advocate what these doctors are saying. I'm just putting it out here because I do think it needs to be part of the debate.

Pro: These are medical professionals who are dealing with the virus up front and in person, so their opinions have some validity

Con: They are in a small town, and the reality concerning the subject of the danger of spreading the virus in small towns is very different to the reality of the danger in large cities.


I mean right off the bat the doctor made some uninformed statements(scary to say about a doctor). Such as claiming the virus is similar to the flu based on death rates(Also leaving out entirely that we have a vaccine for one). Comparing 2 months of Covid deaths to a year of Flu deaths. Using data that was produced under social distancing measures and extrapolating from that the risk when easing off won’t change.

He speaks of opening everything up and testing to verify, but you need tests to do the verifying, and we are lacking in that department.

From there he goes into a conspiratorial rant. Frankly, I think it was reckless of that news station to platform this guy to begin with. And I don’t see what he brings to the conversation when the foundation of a lot of his prescriptions are faulty or without proper context.
 
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