COVID-19 Outbreak (Update: More than 2.9M cases and 132,313 deaths in US) (4 Viewers)

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guidomerkinsrules said:
well written/well stated
but i have 2 initial concerns
- if we follow this approach (trying to get back to normalish asap) we really have not adapted to anything (like, if the second wave hits in the Fall, we're potentially just as unprepared then)
- the economy (and education and healthcare and other socio/cultural structures) is DEEPLY flawed for manymanymany people

there is no reason to not take the time to address the inequities to make it better for more people
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This is my fault, as I misspoke/misrepresented my intent in my original post but later addressed it in a couple of different posts after that one - I don't want this to happen immediately. What I envision is that local and federal leaders have been working behind the scenes on this for the past month already, and that over the next 30 to 60 days, it should continued to be worked on, and ultimately rolled out sometime by mid-June/early July once every single duck is in a row, to the most minute detail.

You announce you are working on that plan about 45 days out, then at about 30 days out, you begin informing people how this plan is going to look down to every little detail - for example, tell places such as barbershops and beauty salons or what have you to start scheduling appointments and such because we are allowing businesses to re-open on date x, but you have to stagger the appointments in x,y,z way moving forward, and do 'this, this, and this' during your normal business day operations.

Officials should essentially treat these next 60 days as if they are planning for a massive, nationwide grand re-opening event on July 1, and between now and then, you work out all the kinks until every single thing has been thought of and fleshed out.
 
Saintaholic said:
This is my fault, as I misspoke/misrepresented my intent in my original post but later addressed it in a couple of different posts after that one - I don't want this to happen immediately. What I envision is that local and federal leaders have been working behind the scenes on this for the past month already, and that over the next 30 to 60 days, it should continued to be worked on, and ultimately rolled out sometime by mid-June/early July once every single duck is in a row, to the most minute detail.

You announce you are working on that plan about 45 days out, then at about 30 days out, you begin informing people how this plan is going to look down to every little detail - for example, tell places such as barbershops and beauty salons or what have you to start scheduling appointments and such because we are allowing businesses to re-open on date x, but you have to stagger the appointments in x,y,z way moving forward, and do 'this, this, and this' during your normal business day operations.

Officials should essentially treat these next 60 days as if they are planning for a massive, nationwide grand re-opening event on July 1, and between now and then, you work out all the kinks until every single thing has been thought of and fleshed out.
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The only thing I want to contest(and it is a BIG one) is that I would avoid putting any sort of timeline on anything.

The virus doesn’t care about any timeline and what is important is having all the ducks in a row structurally(social distancing polices, sufficient hospital capacity, trace and testing etc.) and having a sufficient confidence in case load diminishment, as inevitably cases rise when initially rolling back measures.

When all that is met, that is when you can talk about slowly easing restrictions and seeing how things go. One epidemiologist put it well, it’s like dipping your toe in the water and seeing how your body reacts, it it’s too cold you pull out for a bit, then come back and test it again, do it until you can slowly get in the water.

In the meantime the federal government needs to be taking a lot more proactive actions to take care of everyone who is affected by this. Frankly, we really should have a UBI implemented that phases out as certain benchmarks are met on a county by county basis.
 
Y'know, everybody seems to take it as a given that another Great Depression will kill people at a high rate and there's some intersection point where quarantining (and the resulting economic effects) becomes more deadly than the virus.

Only, what if that isn't so?
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Life and death during the Great Depression

Recent events highlight the importance of examining the impact of economic downturns on population health. The Great Depression of the 1930s was the most important economic downturn in the U.S. in the twentieth century. We used historical life expectancy and mortality data to examine...
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I am expecting restrictions being pulled back here in South Alabama and Panhandle Florida in the next week or so. We have been spared any real outbreaks. I can understand why the hard hit metropolitan areas should still be locked down. We still plan on wearing our masks, using hand sanitizer, washing hands and practicing social distancing.

Now when our RV resort pool opens everything would be great. The pool is plenty big enough to handle everyone and still practice social distancing. Most of us would have been traveling across the country in our RV's at this time. But everyone that had a trip scheduled cancelled it. We would have been getting to the Grand Canyon in a few days. Hopefully we can do this 7,000 mile trip next year.
 
I saw that about the strokes, and have heard about clotting issues beforehand. It may explain the people who just fall over dead from this. But, it’s also one of those things that I wonder total numbers and if this is a relatively small number that simply is getting blown up with media fear. To me kinda like tho while liberty people. In a couple of states there may have been larger numbers, but here in CA none of them were even at 50 people even though the media tried to play it off as a movement.

A handful of people have clotting issues and strike out. Something to be aware of and yes it’s dangerous. But I guess I’ve become numb to the fear. It’s very serious, and I’ve stayed home so much I’ve had to charge the batteries in my vehicles because they haven’t been getting used. But, I mean, this is turning into a circus on one side and the apocalypse on the other.
 
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I saw that about the strokes, and have heard about clotting issues beforehand. It may explain the people who just fall over dead from this. But, it’s also one of those things that I wonder total numbers and if this is a relatively small number that simply is getting blown up with media fear. To me kinda like tho while liberty people. In a couple of states there may have been larger numbers, but here in CA none of them were even at 50 people even though the media tried to play it off as a movement.

A handful of people have clotting issues and strike out. Something to be aware of and yes it’s dangerous. But I guess I’ve become numb to the fear. It’s very serious, and I’ve stayed home so much I’ve had to charge the batteries in my vehicles because they haven’t been getting used. But, I mean, this is turning into a circus on one side and the apocalypse on the other.
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Oh, I'm sure it is a small percentage and no doubt the media will drive that fear. Just thought it was interesting and likely explains the dropping dead videos and the deaths happening out of hospitals in NYC that are up 400%. So while it's not likely a huge number of people, when the number of people infected get really high it could be devastating.

I couldn't agree anymore about the circus and the apocalypse but just how much did the circus create the apocalyse talk? When I post damage video on Facebook from a tornado that killed 1 person it fills up with replies of praying hands and thoughts and prayers and comments about how tragic the situation was. When 50,000 Americans die from Covid those same people reply with flu stats and somehow few notice the incredible level of stupidity it takes to produce that. Overall, I felt like the media has spent way too much time trying to catch Trump saying stupid sheet but to be fair to them, the POTUS is saying some really stupid sheet which makes it newsworthy. The sad part about that is not that the media is not informing us of the more important stuff and asking the questions that are so important but when they do, it's mostly ignored and people seek out the article about the stupid sheet the POTUS said which gets all the clicks and attention. I guess to sum things up, people are dumb and society is stupid.
 
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