COVID-19 Outbreak (Update: More than 2.9M cases and 132,313 deaths in US) (3 Viewers)

[PurpleBlack&Gold]

Even if it mutates, and/or even if @SaintRob is correct in his post below yours (3 months to 3 years), when it comes back, you will still have some antibody response and will fight it better the 2nd time than the first. So it's extraordinarily unlikely that you'll die from it the 2nd time you get it down the road, unless you've developed some other underlying condition in between the two.

So yeah, you could get it twice and it would probably suck the 2nd time too. But I think most people are fine with that, they just don't want to die. You won't die the 2nd time you get Coronavirus if you survive the 1st.

I hope you are correct here. I just fear we end up with this thing acting like the flu. As far as I know having the flu once doesn't necessarily make it any less severe on a subsequent infection. Maybe if you get it the second time within a few months but what if that second infection is a year or 3 down the road.

Of course we just have to wait and see and hope for the best.

Hopefully this thing acts like measles and once you have it you are immune for life.

 

[Goatman Saint]

The Death Boat soon will be making another run
The Death Boat promises ‘Rona for everyone....

 

[Loose Cannon]

I hope you are correct here. I just fear we end up with this thing acting like the flu. As far as I know having the flu once doesn't necessarily make it any less severe on a subsequent infection. Maybe if you get it the second time within a few months but what if that second infection is a year or 3 down the road.

Of course we just have to wait and see and hope for the best.

Hopefully this thing acts like measles and once you have it you are immune for life.

Goatman laid it out better than I can or will, but the science behind viruses means that Covid is very unlikely to end up like the flu. Very very very very unlikely.

 

[PurpleBlack&Gold]

Goatman laid it out better than I can or will, but the science behind viruses means that Covid is very unlikely to end up like the flu. Very very very very unlikely.

Here is a preprint article about mutations to the spike protein. 14 and counting so far.

(Disclaimer: This is a preprint article so not yet peer reviewed.)

Summary
We have developed an analysis pipeline to facilitate real-time mutation tracking in SARS-CoV-2, focusing initially on the Spike (S) protein because it mediates infection of human cells and is the target of most vaccine strategies and antibody-based therapeutics. To date we have identified fourteen mutations in Spike that are accumulating. Mutations are considered in a broader phylogenetic context, geographically, and over time, to provide an early warning system to reveal mutations that may confer selective advantages in transmission or resistance to interventions. Each one is evaluated for evidence of positive selection, and the implications of the mutation are explored through structural modeling. The mutation Spike D614G is of urgent concern; it began spreading in Europe in early February, and when introduced to new regions it rapidly becomes the dominant form. Also, we present evidence of recombination between locally circulating strains, indicative of multiple strain infections. These finding have important implications for SARS-CoV-2 transmission, pathogenesis and immune interventions.

https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.29.069054v1.full.pdf

There is actually a ton of work being done on this.

sars cov 2 s protein mutations - Google Search

www.google.com

 

[Brennan77]

Don't you think that's a little tame? We're at the "guys in body armor with weapons forcing their way into the state capital" phase of opposition now. Going to the park when it's closed is so 2 weeks ago.

Idaho woman arrested in front of her children after refusing to leave playground closed due to virus - Washington Examiner

An Idaho mother arrested for refusing to leave a playground closed due to coronavirus concerns has sparked protests at a local city hall.Sara Brady, 40, was allegedly captured on video instructing an officer to arrest her during a small protest with other people, including her two children, at a...

www.washingtonexaminer.com

You're so right. I'll have my daughter make a run at the playset and see what goes down. I'll charge the GoPro batteries and set it to 4k 60fps. But I'll probably forget it so I'll just run around using the front camera on my phone in protrait mode so I can upload the action in super low resolution with those fashionable grey blur bars on the sides.

 

[Brennan77]

Are you sure the City actually shut it down? Did you call 311 to ask?

The sign looks like it has been out somewhere for a long time. Are you sure whoever wrote the sign that is next to it didn't find it somewhere else like The Fly, and use it as an opportunity to make what they think is a really clever political point? I mean, I live right by City Park and it has been open the entire time. The small playgrounds here and there and the facilities are closed, but the park itself if open.

It's all over the Irish channel Facebook page. The city sent workers out and put similar signs around the basketball court and playset. When I passed earlier, several people were sunning themselves in the grass by the signs. It just seems like an odd thing to do after so many weeks when all metrics are pointing to a lifting of the restrictions rather than a doubling down. It's incredibly condescending and weak minded of the city, as if they are trying to remind us who's in charge, just in case we didn't know what's good good for us.

 

[Rickboy]

The Death Boat soon will be making another run
The Death Boat promises ‘Rona for everyone....

OK, you win the thread today.... Now I can’t get the dang song outta my head. I’m going to go listen to death metal for an hour to clean this out of my head.

 

[St. Widge]

It's all over the Irish channel Facebook page. The city sent workers out and put similar signs around the basketball court and playset. When I passed earlier, several people were sunning themselves in the grass by the signs. It just seems like an odd thing to do after so many weeks when all metrics are pointing to a lifting of the restrictions rather than a doubling down. It's incredibly condescending and weak minded of the city, as if they are trying to remind us who's in charge, just in case we didn't know what's good good for us.

I agree. It seems really odd after so long. That's why I was wondering if someone didn't just pick up a sign somewhere else and put it out.

 

[Eeyore]

But... Muh freedums!

Federal judge rules Illinois’ stay-at-home order constitutional

On the same day Beloved Church in Lena held a service with more than 100 people, defying Governor JB Pritzker's stay-at-home order, a U.S. district judge rules the order constitutional.

wgem.com

 

[St. Geezy]

Seems safe enough.

 

[Optimus Prime]

As scientists around the world race to develop a vaccine for the coronavirus, the pandemic is also stoking a surge of activity among activists who argue that such a vaccine must be resisted.

Leaders of the anti-vaccination movement, who in recent years have seen their efforts frustrated as U.S. states have adopted stricter laws promoting the inoculation of children, are seizing on the anxiety and social unrest generated by the virus and the government attempts to contain it.

Anti-vaccination protesters have been a visible presence in recent weeks at rallies to end the lockdowns that continue in many states. But beyond the rallies and hand-painted signs, the movement’s chief organizers have launched a less confrontational but more far-reaching information campaign.

Incorporating the rhetoric honed over years to sow fear of childhood vaccines, they maintain that mandated quarantines are new evidence of government officials’ zeal to control individual health-care choices...........

https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2020/05/05/anti-vaxxers-wakefield-coronavirus-vaccine/

 

[tomwaits]

But... Muh freedums!

Federal judge rules Illinois’ stay-at-home order constitutional

On the same day Beloved Church in Lena held a service with more than 100 people, defying Governor JB Pritzker's stay-at-home order, a U.S. district judge rules the order constitutional.

wgem.com

From what I read, the states do have the power to do these types of things if their state constitutions do not prohibit it. The federal government does not have the power to do stay at home orders because the federal constitution only gives the federal government powers it actually states. That being said, the federal courts have long thrown that out the window and will generally rule that the federal government can do whatever it wants even though it is clear from reading the constitution and the volumes written from the ratifying conventions that this was never the intent of the framers or ratifiers.

 

[guidomerkinsrules]

It's all over the Irish channel Facebook page. The city sent workers out and put similar signs around the basketball court and playset. When I passed earlier, several people were sunning themselves in the grass by the signs. It just seems like an odd thing to do after so many weeks when all metrics are pointing to a lifting of the restrictions rather than a doubling down. It's incredibly condescending and weak minded of the city, as if they are trying to remind us who's in charge, just in case we didn't know what's good good for us.

having worked in/around city government and just thinking about possibilities, my guess is that the city only has the man power to target select areas and then they work through the city and probably get called off sign posting jobs to do actual maintenance quite often
i'm close to Evans playground and maybe after the 1st week of stay at home, we had caution tape tied over entrances (of course, that was torn down in no time)
about a week after they chained up the bball goals (but just the full court ones with the nets - the side goals they left alone -- i'd heard they were going to take down the whole goal and the chaining was a much smarter move i thought)
then even more caution tape
then last week we got the "playground closed" signs

more than likely this is a joint effort between NORD and parks/parkways - not sure what parks/parkways operates
but i do know that NORD tried to adopt that public/private partnership after katrina and it appears to be slowly imploding bc Chevron has pulled out of most of it's sponsorships - so a system that was fairly bare bones to begin with has had significant set backs

 

[St. Widge]

From what I read, the states do have the power to do these types of things if their state constitutions do not prohibit it. The federal government does not have the power to do stay at home orders because the federal constitution only gives the federal government powers it actually states. That being said, the federal courts have long thrown that out the window and will generally rule that the federal government can do whatever it wants even though it is clear from reading the constitution and the volumes written from the ratifying conventions that this was never the intent of the framers or ratifiers.

The first part about the states is true. The second part about the Feds really depends on the issue. SCOTUS has allowed them to overreach on many things based on the Commerce Clause mostly. I personally think that the reading has been overly expansive, but their position is at least nominally based on the Constitution. It is not an interpretation that I agree with, but they aren't just making it up out of nowhere. And, if you read things like the Federalist Papers and other documents written by the founders, you will find that there was not even total agreement about what the Constitution meant or should mean. Moreover, many issues were just not thought of or discussed. So some level of interpretation is necessary because of those disagreements among the founders and the fact that no document can be totally comprehensive. Now, I tend to read the whole document in the light of the 9th Amendment, but those who disagree, at least in the legal field, are usually having a legitimate academic discussion rather than being part of any systematic effort to grow the power of the Federal Government.

 

[Rickboy]

The first part about the states is true. The second part about the Feds really depends on the issue. SCOTUS has allowed them to overreach on many things based on the Commerce Clause mostly. I personally think that the reading has been overly expansive, but their position is at least nominally based on the Constitution. It is not an interpretation that I agree with, but they aren't just making it up out of nowhere. And, if you read things like the Federalist Papers and other documents written by the founders, you will find that there was not even total agreement about what the Constitution meant or should mean. Moreover, many issues were just not thought of or discussed. So some level of interpretation is necessary because of those disagreements among the founders and the fact that no document can be totally comprehensive. Now, I tend to read the whole document in the light of the 9th Amendment, but those who disagree, at least in the legal field, are usually having a legitimate academic discussion rather than being part of any systematic effort to grow the power of the Federal Government.

Don't forget the Elastic Clause. That is the source for a lot of these rulings as well.