COVID-19 Outbreak (Update: More than 2.9M cases and 132,313 deaths in US) (3 Viewers)

[Saint by the Bay]

There is literally one small field. So it's saying field is closed. Regardless, there hasn't been a sign or any sort of closure since all of this started. To put something out now when restrictions should be being lifted is ludicrous. There were people out laying next to the signs when I passed earlier. This isn't going to go well. Perhaps I'll have a picnic with my family tomorrow.

Don't you think that's a little tame? We're at the "guys in body armor with weapons forcing their way into the state capital" phase of opposition now. Going to the park when it's closed is so 2 weeks ago.

Idaho woman arrested in front of her children after refusing to leave playground closed due to virus - Washington Examiner

An Idaho mother arrested for refusing to leave a playground closed due to coronavirus concerns has sparked protests at a local city hall.Sara Brady, 40, was allegedly captured on video instructing an officer to arrest her during a small protest with other people, including her two children, at a...

www.washingtonexaminer.com

 

[rob22278]

Just to be clear, the US is not leading the world in deaths per Capita, and it’s not even close compared to the worst hit countries in Europe. I believe this site updates their data daily, these numbers are as of 5/4.

COVID-19 deaths per capita by country | Statista

COVID deaths worldwide were highest in Peru, topping a list that compares deaths per million in 210 countries worldwide.

www.statista.com

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Confirmed deaths (absolute)	Population (in millions)	Deaths per million
Belgium	7,844	11.42	686.74
Spain	25,264	46.72	540.71
Italy	28,884	60.43	477.96
United Kingdom	28,446	66.49	427.83
France	24,864	66.99	371.18
Netherlands	5,056	17.23	293.42
Ireland	1,303	4.85	268.47
Sweden	2,679	10.18	263.08
Switzerland	1,762	8.52	206.89
United States	67,580	327.17	206.56

 

[DaveXA]

Just to be clear, the US is not leading the world in deaths per Capita, and it’s not even close compared to the worst hit countries in Europe. I believe this site updates their data daily, these numbers are as of 5/4.

COVID-19 deaths per capita by country | Statista

COVID deaths worldwide were highest in Peru, topping a list that compares deaths per million in 210 countries worldwide.

www.statista.com

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Confirmed deaths (absolute)	Population (in millions)	Deaths per million
Belgium	7,844	11.42	686.74
Spain	25,264	46.72	540.71
Italy	28,884	60.43	477.96
United Kingdom	28,446	66.49	427.83
France	24,864	66.99	371.18
Netherlands	5,056	17.23	293.42
Ireland	1,303	4.85	268.47
Sweden	2,679	10.18	263.08
Switzerland	1,762	8.52	206.89
United States	67,580	327.17	206.56

I suspect our population is also very much understated. Fully expect to see it bumped up to 350 million plus after the Census is done. It's a good point that per capita, the US is no worse than any number of countries. I also suspect that China, Japan and Iran in particular have massively understated their cases and fatality figures.

 

[Doug B]

An Oklahoma city ends face mask rule for shoppers after store employees are threatened

"Store employees have been threatened with physical violence and showered with verbal abuse," the Stillwater city manager said. "There has been one threat of violence using a firearm."

www.nbcnews.com

Bumping this up — ties into to recent posts.

 

[N.O.Bronco]

I'm not suggesting that we shouldn't wear masks or that we should immediately have large gatherings. But the goal was never to be able to do so without spreading the disease. That's an unrealistic expectation. The goal was to make sure the medical infrastructure could handle an outbreak. We passed that test with flying colors and only saw a fraction of what we were told we would. We can't stay at home waiting for there to be no risk. That will literally never happen.

A robust testing and tracing system in place to manage the virus after a sustained reduction in cases over a period of weeks is also part of that formula.

...We aren’t anywhere near that, and neither is pretty much all of the country.

The CDC is now revising up their estimates due to lifting restrictions early and predict over 100,000 deaths by early June. Predicting an upper bound of around 3,000 deaths a day

There is a vast chasm between flinging the doors open and literally waiting til every case is gone. When the most qualified people in the country are asked to build a model for what the optimal path forward is, the above pillars are what they seem to universally agree upon. I continue to wonder what it is people might suggest for why such prescriptions should be set aside or replaced by some other prescription?

 

[DaveXA]

Bumping this up — ties into to recent posts.

Considering it's Oklahoma, I can't say this is surprising. Threatening people who are trying to protect the public makes sense...

 

[buzd]

So in case anyone was wondering, Florida still has checkpoints at the (I-10) border. Since we were LA, we got diverted and had to fill out a form.

It didn’t seem like a big deal. Everyone was very polite, and no one warned us about quarantines or follow ups.

They gave us a golf pencil to fill out the form and they didn’t confirm any of the info.

There were plenty of cops directing traffic (state and county) but the people with the forms were all civilians/volunteers).

It all seemed kind of like going through the motions. Other than them having your plate, there was no accountability for any of the info.

 

[Loose Cannon]

I agree. I don't think South Korea having fals e positives says anything about protection from differing strains. As far as I know there are at least 3 with significant changes. Whether that affects immunity I do not know. Also, nothing in this article shows any data on waning immunity to a single strain which is common with other coronaviruses. That headline is misleading. Nothing has been concluded other than South Korea had a bunch of false positive tests.

It does tell us some things though. It tells us all of the "omg people have had it twice!" shock headlines were false. And in that case, you have to sort of default back to the way basically every other virus in the history of the world behaves; that once you get it, you have immunity either for a period of time or forever.

I think it's incredibly unlikely that people are going to get this virus twice. Just about every doctor and virologist in the world agrees with me. To me it seems a little nutbar at this point to think anything but that Covid-19 behaves the way every other virus in history has.

 

[PurpleBlack&Gold]

It does tell us some things though. It tells us all of the "omg people have had it twice!" shock headlines were false. And in that case, you have to sort of default back to the way basically every other virus in the history of the world behaves; that once you get it, you have immunity either for a period of time or forever.

I think it's incredibly unlikely that people are going to get this virus twice. Just about every doctor and virologist in the world agrees with me. To me it seems a little nutbar at this point to think anything but that Covid-19 behaves the way every other virus in history has.

What about the flu for example? Having it does not give immunity to the next strain or even the same strain about 6 months after infection. There are many viruses that do not confer long term immunity.

Most of the known human coronaviruses are more like influenza than other viruses such as polio or measles in terms of immunity. This virus is yet to be determined. Considering it hasn't even been around for 6 months we kind of have to wait and see on it.

 

[Goatman Saint]

What about the flu for example? Having it does not give immunity to the next strain or even the same strain about 6 months after infection. There are many viruses that do not confer long term immunity.

Most of the known human coronaviruses are more like influenza than other viruses such as polio or measles in terms of immunity. This virus is yet to be determined.

The major Infectious points of the flu mutate rapidly. Hence, no long term immunity. That’s why an overall flu vaccine has been so difficult. The non mutating points aren’t what causes the immune response. Coronavirus in general mutate the unimportant parts, leaving the highly infectious points relatively stable. It’s kinda the opposite of the flu so to speak. There. Just hasn’t been any need to make an immunization because SARS and MERS burned out too quickly, and the common cold isn’t dangerous enough to invest the time and money in. This thing is different.

Now, wether or not that brings long term immunity, who knows. But as far as short to medium range immunity, it should be good to go.

 

[DaveXA]

It does tell us some things though. It tells us all of the "omg people have had it twice!" shock headlines were false. And in that case, you have to sort of default back to the way basically every other virus in the history of the world behaves; that once you get it, you have immunity either for a period of time or forever.

I think it's incredibly unlikely that people are going to get this virus twice. Just about every doctor and virologist in the world agrees with me. To me it seems a little nutbar at this point to think anything but that Covid-19 behaves the way every other virus in history has.

While I agree that it's unlikely people are getting reinfected, but rather, relapsing, I do think it's possible, if not probably that CV19 will mutate enough that immunity might not last long. Too soon to tell imo.

 

[SaintRob]

It does tell us some things though. It tells us all of the "omg people have had it twice!" shock headlines were false. And in that case, you have to sort of default back to the way basically every other virus in the history of the world behaves; that once you get it, you have immunity either for a period of time or forever.

I think it's incredibly unlikely that people are going to get this virus twice. Just about every doctor and virologist in the world agrees with me. To me it seems a little nutbar at this point to think anything but that Covid-19 behaves the way every other virus in history has.

It's extremely unlikely that there will be lifetime immunity to SARS-CoV-2/COVID-19 if it behaves the same as other coronaviruses. Speculation is that it will be 3 months to 3 years of immunity. You can get the same seasonal cold causing coronavirus more than once.

 

[PurpleBlack&Gold]

The major Infectious points of the flu mutate rapidly. Hence, no long term immunity. That’s why an overall flu vaccine has been so difficult. The non mutating points aren’t what causes the immune response. Coronavirus in general mutate the unimportant parts, leaving the highly infectious points relatively stable. It’s kinda the opposite of the flu so to speak. There. Just hasn’t been any need to make an immunization because SARS and MERS burned out too quickly, and the common cold isn’t dangerous enough to invest the time and money in. This thing is different.

Now, wether or not that brings long term immunity, who knows. But as far as short to medium range immunity, it should be good to go.

I agree on all of what you say but I did read a recent paper claiming there are at least three strains of sars 2 with significant mutations that may alter the immune response. I'll have to find it if you want to read it. The reality is we won't know anything until more time has passed to see if immunity lasts and protects against different strains.

Also, what is short to medium range immunity? 6 months? 1 year? 5 years?

 

[Loose Cannon]

While I agree that it's unlikely people are getting reinfected, but rather, relapsing, I do think it's possible, if not probably that CV19 will mutate enough that immunity might not last long. Too soon to tell imo.

Even if it mutates, and/or even if @SaintRob is correct in his post below yours (3 months to 3 years), when it comes back, you will still have some antibody response and will fight it better the 2nd time than the first. So it's extraordinarily unlikely that you'll die from it the 2nd time you get it down the road, unless you've developed some other underlying condition in between the two.

So yeah, you could get it twice and it would probably suck the 2nd time too. But I think most people are fine with that, they just don't want to die. You won't die the 2nd time you get Coronavirus if you survive the 1st.

 

[St. Widge]

There is literally one small field. So it's saying field is closed. Regardless, there hasn't been a sign or any sort of closure since all of this started. To put something out now when restrictions should be being lifted is ludicrous. There were people out laying next to the signs when I passed earlier. This isn't going to go well. Perhaps I'll have a picnic with my family tomorrow.

Are you sure the City actually shut it down? Did you call 311 to ask?

The sign looks like it has been out somewhere for a long time. Are you sure whoever wrote the sign that is next to it didn't find it somewhere else like The Fly, and use it as an opportunity to make what they think is a really clever political point? I mean, I live right by City Park and it has been open the entire time. The small playgrounds here and there and the facilities are closed, but the park itself if open.