COVID-19 Outbreak (Update: More than 2.9M cases and 132,313 deaths in US) (6 Viewers)

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StudioSaint said:
I think that would be why they studied different latitudes around the world and mentioned they saw no significant link between latitude change and spread rate change. There's a direct link between latitude and the level of surface UV exposure. Weather also plays a significant factor in surface UV exposure levels.

However, even in the most UV exposed areas of the planet, buildings and anything that creates shade, blocks those UV rays. A lot of glass also blocks UV rays. UV rays have to come into direct contact with the virus to destroy it.

If someone is exposed to the virus while indoors or in the shade, they will not be protected by UV rays because they and the virus are not being bombarded by UV rays at the time of exposure.

This virus does not really spread by drifting from person to person in the outdoor air or on surfaces. It doesn't drift in the air to travel from a store, then to a restaurant, then to a workplace, then to a theater, then to a concert, then to the airport, and then to all other public gathering points. Even a lot of surfaces are protected from UV exposure when being moved outside.

Every package we get comes inside another package. The outer package protects the inside of the package from UV exposure. The inner package was packed inside the outer package while indoors and not exposed to UV. Most of us open those packages inside, where there is no UV exposure. Most product packing never has direct contact with the sun's UV rays.

There's no doubting that UV rays destroys the virus. What's doubtful is that infections occur in the presence of UV rays at a significant enough rate to significantly slow the spread of the virus.

The virus is mostly carried from one group of people to another by an infected person. It's inside the infected person and protected from the sun's UV rays as that person moves through areas exposed to UV. The infected person's body protects the virus from UV rays as the infected person spreads the virus from from a store, then to a restaurant, then to a workplace, then to a theater, then to a concert, then to the airport, and then to all other public gathering points.

Most of our social interactions take place indoors and other situations in which there is little to no UV exposure. In those situations, the surface UV levels from the sun are not a factor is slowing the spread of the virus.
www.independent.co.uk

Temperature has little or no impact on spread of coronavirus, new study suggests

‘Seasonality is likely to play only a minor role in the epidemiology of Covid-19,’ scientists conclude
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It got going during their summer into early fall. They've done very little to mitigate. San Paulo issued a stay at home order over a month ago, but it has mostly been ignored because of their president has been saying it's no big deal. I have two dear friends who live in the state of San Paulo, so I've been following it closely. Their rate of spread hasn't changed. The sheer number of cases has dramatically surged, but that's due more to natural exponential growth in the spread and the lack of mitigation.


I think this is reckless speculation that creates a false sense of security that is not supported by all of the scientific evidence and studies to date. It is still very much an unproven whether or not the summer season alone significantly slows the spread of the virus.

There is ample real world examples that cast serious doubt on the belief that summer UV slows the spread of the virus. UV exposure only destroys the virus when the virus is exposed to UV. Until it's proven, that most exposures to the virus also occur while being exposed to the sun's UV rays, then it's merely an assumption that summer alone will make us significantly safer. There is ample evidence to suggest that it's a questionable assumption
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What if we could put light inside the body? :freak7:
 
PurpleBlack&Gold said:
Update on Hawaii.

We entered phase 1 of reopening yesterday statewide.

There are 0 active cases on Kauai.

Only 2 active here on Big Island.

Several still active on Maui and Oahu.

We also have the highest unemployment rate in the country at 35%.

Since the vast majority of those jobs are tourism related im not sure how much of an economy we will have until people can travel here again.

The lieutenant gov. is also a local ER doctor in the town where I live. He told one of my patients they are considering requiring covid testing 72 hours in advance for anyone wanting to enter the state. I'm not sure if they will lift the current 14 day quarantine for anyone flying into the islands with the testing. The 14 day quarantine is for anyone flying between any island or coming from out of state. I thought they actually waited 2 weeks late to implement that order. We probably wouldn't have had any cases here if they had.

Also made a Costco trip today. They had most things but it was sparse. Lots of the upper pallet holding areas are empty. Kind of spooky to see so little in the store. Not sure we are going to stay out here too much longer. We don't want to get caught on an island in a huge food shortage. Plus the economy appears wrecked for an extremely long time.
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I've listened to a podcast recently discussing the terrible situation of Hawaii. There were talks of poverty and starvation due to food shortage caused by the stoppage in shipping. Yikes.
 
Brennan77 said:
I've listened to a podcast recently discussing the terrible situation of Hawaii. There were talks of poverty and starvation due to food shortage caused by the stoppage in shipping. Yikes.
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I hope it doesn't happen but things are getting thin at stores. Not out yet but much thinner than usual. We will likely be making a move to the mainland either next month or by early July. Most people here won't starve on Big Island. Oahu might be a different story though. A million people on that island.
 
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My impression is people have been cooped up too long and probably need things. I went to Home Depot today, Trader Joe’s, couple other smaller businesses simply because after spending almost 2 full months at home I needed some things. Now, the difference between here and that mess is that they were limiting people inside the store.
 
Goatman Saint said:
My impression is people have been cooped up too long and probably need things. I went to Home Depot today, Trader Joe’s, couple other smaller businesses simply because after spending almost 2 full months at home I needed some things. Now, the difference between here and that mess is that they were limiting people inside the store.
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I mean, I get needing food and stuff to do house repairs kind of stuff (I have been going out once per week or so for food), but who needs T.J. Max Clothes that bad? And, I think the bigger issue is that I see one mask and nobody even coming close to social distancing. And, IIRC, Central Arakansas, around Little Rock was a hot spot not that long ago.
 
St. Widge said:
I mean, I get needing food and stuff to do house repairs kind of stuff (I have been going out once per week or so for food), but who needs T.J. Max Clothes that bad? And, I think the bigger issue is that I see one mask and nobody even coming close to social distancing. And, IIRC, Central Arakansas, around Little Rock was a hot spot not that long ago.
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i think what has happened is that you have a number of people who do/did due diligence for weeks
then they see others flaunting shelter in place orders and then get all in their feels and are like 'why am i home like a chump and everyone else is our galavanting?'
i noticed a big shift uptown once other states starting talking about re-opening
 
St. Widge said:
I mean, I get needing food and stuff to do house repairs kind of stuff (I have been going out once per week or so for food), but who needs T.J. Max Clothes that bad? And, I think the bigger issue is that I see one mask and nobody even coming close to social distancing. And, IIRC, Central Arakansas, around Little Rock was a hot spot not that long ago.
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And it’s things like that which is going to make this a never ending cycle. People just aren’t paying attention, and it’s going to blow up worse than before and our leadership is actively sabotaging any efforts to promote health and well being. I’d say a quarter of the places here require masks, the rest about half are wearing them. All stores are limiting customers. Which is good. Hand washing and personal distancing avoiding crowds. All smart things. But that’s not the message That you are seeing from the federal government. They pressured states to move faster than they were ready, without testing and tracking (omg Freedom!), and the military flyovers and all is great.

Like I’ve said before, not a huge fan of continuing lockdowns. And I completely understand this. The economy needs to get going. I understand this. But if people would sanitize, wear masks, and social distance/avoid crowds, it would severely limit this. But no.

Neighbor on Friday had 6 families over. Probably 30 people in his yard. BBQ, kids playing together, community food And drink table, and I’m like humm we wonder why this is going to blow up again.
 
The IHME has new revised modeling out this morning. (That's the Institute for Health Metrics Evaluation (Univ. of Washington) - and they release weekly updates based on a very wide set of data).

They have revised the death toll through July up to more than 137,000. The primary driver for the upward revision is "significant increase in mobility" - this data point is gathered from cell phone pings to show how active a location is (how much people are moving around).


 
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