Dennis Allen confirms that Mickey Loomis was not in favor of firing him after Panthers loss (2 Viewers)

[Pocket Hercules]

On the other hand, this also demonstrates to potential coaches that Loomis will have their back even if the owner wants to fire them and that it took the owner stepping in to make Loomis fire a coach in his third year on a 7 game losing streak.

Obviously not a good thing that it took this long for Loomis to fire DA or that Benson had to step in. But, from the perspective of a potential coach it sure makes Loomis look loyal to a fault.

I hear you, and obviously one candidate could view it differently from the next I suppose, but one could also take away from it that the GM had DA's back and it didn't matter.

At the end of the day...Loomis should have simply owned the decision rather than throwing Gayle under the bus, IMO.

 

[DSnfla]

Playing Devils Advocate here : This doesn't mean that Loomis wasn't going to part ways in the offseason (I suspect he would've kept DA). But nowhere does this give any hint about Loomis just simply not believe in mid season firings and wasn't planning on moving on from DA after the season.

Underhill disagrees with you , he's said several times he thought ML was going to fire DA at the end of the season

 

[DSnfla]

Dennis Allen inherited a Saints team coming off 5 straight winning seasons.

Virtually no new coach steps into such a position. That's a pretty good hand! The only better situation I could envision in today's NFL involves either Andy Reid's health making him retire, or the Steelers (idiotically IMHO) firing Mike Tomlin. Bowles with the Bucs stepping in for Arians after the latter retired is the only similar new coach situation recently I can think of off the top of my head.

LOL the last season was just 9-8 and 4 of those 5 season we had a HOF QB
I'm in no way saying that DA was a good HC but you need to take context into consideration

 

[GrandAdmiral]

But, from the perspective of a potential coach it sure makes Loomis look loyal to a fault.

That loyalty would be the reason I would fire Loomis. His loyalty was pointed in the wrong direction for a team that's been struggling for years and wasn't going to get better. Hell, I would've fired him for his "loyalty" to continuity knowing the train headed in the team's direction.

Underhill disagrees with you , he's said several times he thought ML was going to fire DA at the end of the season

Doesn't mean it was going to happen.

 

[KCWhoDat]

Allen is a good guy, but he didn't belong as a head coach. Glazer looks bored listening to Dennis.

DA is boring , lol

 

[KCWhoDat]

Pretty unprofessional to leave before addressing the players just because you did not want cameras on you. A professional addresses their subordinates/co-workers personally before leaving.

Reminds me a bit of when the Falcons coach left a note…lol. Remember that ? Not the same circumstances at all but he still snuck out.

 

[sfidc3]

LOL the last season was just 9-8 and 4 of those 5 season we had a HOF QB
I'm in no way saying that DA was a good HC but you need to take context into consideration

I think that 9-8 2023 season should include context.....because these are the facts about that season......

1) the easiest schedule of all teams in the NFL in 2023
2) they played in the worst division in the NFL, the 9-8 Bucs won it....
3) they beat a single team (one) with a winning record, the 9-8 Bucs at the end of the season when they had already clinched the division
4) They got DA's guy at QB in Derek Carr.....
5) Here is the kicker, they had at +11 one of the best turnover ratios in the NFL and still found ways to lose games.....truly a DA trait....

The 2023 season was an abysmal failure, any decent HC would have had the Saints in the playoffs.....The real LOL is that in CSP's last year we were 9-8 and also had more starters miss games than any other team in the NFL, started 4 different QB's and played a tougher schedule.....he should have been in consideration of coach of the year for that.....

Above is context, not just a mention of it....

 

[Kingston]

I know people assume Loomis would have fired DA after the season, but don’t think that would have been a certainty. Especially if you consider DA a “fantastic coach” and the “circumstances created the record”.

I think he would have fired him post season, had he continued to tailspin. There of course would have been the chance he righted the ship and finished with some wins but doubtful because he had clearly lost his locker room some point during the 7 game loosing streak if not before that.

I also think had an elite QB been available at the top of the draft the team never would have fired DA. We would have let him keep doing what he’s doing right on in the rest of the way and been content to finish 2-15 with a crack at a franchise QB.

The gain of moving up in the draft this season wasn’t worth the locker room. You can practically make a case for any of the top 10 guys being the 1st overall.

 

[DSnfla]

I think that 9-8 2023 season should include context.....because these are the facts about that season......

1) the easiest schedule of all teams in the NFL in 2023
2) they played in the worst division in the NFL, the 9-8 Bucs won it....
3) they beat a single team (one) with a winning record, the 9-8 Bucs at the end of the season when they had already clinched the division
4) They got DA's guy at QB in Derek Carr.....
5) Here is the kicker, they had at +11 one of the best turnover ratios in the NFL and still found ways to lose games.....truly a DA trait....

The 2023 season was an abysmal failure, any decent HC would have had the Saints in the playoffs.....The real LOL is that in CSP's last year we were 9-8 and also had more starters miss games than any other team in the NFL, started 4 different QB's and played a tougher schedule.....he should have been in consideration of coach of the year for that.....

Above is context, not just a mention of it....

The context was that in 4 of those 5 seasons we had a HOF QB. Also when SP left we also lost our OC

Your comment was that DA inherited a team that had 5 winning seasons before him, But he didn't have the HOF QB or the HOF guy calling the plays

 

[sfidc3]

The context was that in 4 of those 5 seasons we had a HOF QB. Also when SP left we also lost our OC

Your comment was that DA inherited a team that had 5 winning seasons before him, But he didn't have the HOF QB or the HOF guy calling the plays

It wasn't my comment but regardless, the contrast between the 2021 and 2022 seasons was enough for me to see that DA was in over his head.....he should have been fired after 2022.....but life goes on, hopefully we select a good younger HC that will be here a while.....

 

[Witness]

Thank goodness Gayle didn’t leave it up to Loomis who is very clearly ride or die for Dennis

 

[BayouSAINTJoe]

Wait...are we still defending DA here?

 

[sfidc3]

Wait...are we still defending DA here?

Trolls die hard?

 

[SweetT]

The context was that in 4 of those 5 seasons we had a HOF QB. Also when SP left we also lost our OC

Your comment was that DA inherited a team that had 5 winning seasons before him, But he didn't have the HOF QB or the HOF guy calling the plays

Well, if SP was our OC (which we all know he was), then DA should’ve brought in another OC from the beginning. Not hand the keys to the car, to a guy who still drives with a permit, and no license. He doubled down by keeping him for another year.

 

[St. Widge]

That loyalty would be the reason I would fire Loomis. His loyalty was pointed in the wrong direction for a team that's been struggling for years and wasn't going to get better. Hell, I would've fired him for his "loyalty" to continuity knowing the train headed in the team's direction.

I don't disagree. I'm just saying that from the point of view of a potential head coach, it shows that Loomis is very loyal to his hires and will keep them even beyond when any sane person would have fired them. While that sucks as a fan of that team, a potential head coach might like the job security and a GM that has his back no matter what.