Dennis Allen confirms that Mickey Loomis was not in favor of firing him after Panthers loss (40 Viewers)

It accomplished something...it got DA which was a cancer to the organization away from the organization. He lost the players, and there was no point in keeping him once that happened.

Crazy part was that the players actually thought that at the end of LAST season that DA was getting fired.
I agree that DA was a cancer and had lost the locker room, but if he had stayed, the defense might not have imploded, and we might have a better draft position.
 
i believe people are making way too much of comments made by mickey about dennis allen. mickey is not wrong about anything he's said about the dennis allen situation. Many of you are fools to not take the actual team to task for quitting during the year. None of this take means dennis allen should not have been fired later in the season in a more respectable manner or anything. Rizzi was always fools gold. Our injury situations are not dennis' fault and have absolutely crushed his tenure here.
 
i believe people are making way too much of comments made by mickey about dennis allen. mickey is not wrong about anything he's said about the dennis allen situation. Many of you are fools to not take the actual team to task for quitting during the year. None of this take means dennis allen should not have been fired later in the season in a more respectable manner or anything. Rizzi was always fools gold. Our injury situations are not dennis' fault and have absolutely crushed his tenure here.

Yeah I don't think DA was cut out to be a HC, but I definitely must admit that the guy was dealt a crappy hand, and that pretty much nixed any small chance he had of breaking through despite his limitations as a coach.
 
Yeah I don't think DA was cut out to be a HC, but I definitely must admit that the guy was dealt a crappy hand, and that pretty much nixed any small chance he had of breaking through despite his limitations as a coach.
Dennis Allen inherited a Saints team coming off 5 straight winning seasons.

Virtually no new coach steps into such a position. That's a pretty good hand! The only better situation I could envision in today's NFL involves either Andy Reid's health making him retire, or the Steelers (idiotically IMHO) firing Mike Tomlin. Bowles with the Bucs stepping in for Arians after the latter retired is the only similar new coach situation recently I can think of off the top of my head.
 
Dennis Allen inherited a Saints team coming off 5 straight winning seasons.

Virtually no new coach steps into such a position. That's a pretty good hand! The only better situation I could envision in today's NFL involves either Andy Reid's health making him retire, or the Steelers (idiotically IMHO) firing Mike Tomlin. Bowles with the Bucs stepping in for Arians after the latter retired is the only similar new coach situation recently I can think of off the top of my head.

I was speaking specifically regarding the ridiculous number of injuries and lack of QB, referenced in the post I quoted.
 
Dennis Allen inherited a Saints team coming off 5 straight winning seasons.

Virtually no new coach steps into such a position. That's a pretty good hand! The only better situation I could envision in today's NFL involves either Andy Reid's health making him retire, or the Steelers (idiotically IMHO) firing Mike Tomlin. Bowles with the Bucs stepping in for Arians after the latter retired is the only similar new coach situation recently I can think of off the top of my head.
so nothing at all to do with the aging roster and cap situation and this minor issue of replacing drew brees that payton hit the eject button on... Dennis has done pretty well when he had a healthy squad. but dennis is a coach that needs an ideal situation and isn't alpha enough to command an organization when things get rough.
 
At his age he should have retired years ago... so I don't get the whole "he's going to retire soon". Why retire when you have carte blanche?

Because at some point, everyone wants to retire and scale back the stress and obligations. Travel, enjoy his grandkids, yell at other peoples' grandkids that are on his lawn, tell people to stay off his "propity", eat icecream and red wine for dinner, not get yelled at by fans, not have to read stuff from fans about how worthless he is, etc.

Many are already retired by his age and certainly by 71 or 72. And those that aren't retired usually have really scaled back on their job duties and don't work full time.

Maybe Loomis is the exception, but I doubt it. I've know many old men that had carte blanche in their business and still retired. At some point everyone gets too tired of dealing with other people's crap.
 
This is the quote that bugs me the most.

Loomis went on to tell Allen that he was "not really in favor of this move," but Allen was fired anyway.

There's no color to help understand how the message was articulated. Maybe Loomis told DA that he wasn't in favor of it, but the team's performance left him no choice, or maybe Loomis said he was ok if DA just kept doing what he was doing, but Benson made him fire DA.

To me, when you have a discussion with the boss (Benson) about performance and options, that's the time to (fiercely) represent for your coach/team and defend a position of waiting until end of season. Maybe Loomis did this and lost. But, if the decision is made to terminate employment of the head coach, a good leader *owns that decision* and doesn't pass the buck.

Looking forward to a brighter future with a coach that is a leader of men and can inspire a team.
 
Dennis Allen inherited a Saints team coming off 5 straight winning seasons.

Virtually no new coach steps into such a position. That's a pretty good hand! The only better situation I could envision in today's NFL involves either Andy Reid's health making him retire, or the Steelers (idiotically IMHO) firing Mike Tomlin. Bowles with the Bucs stepping in for Arians after the latter retired is the only similar new coach situation recently I can think of off the top of my head.

When you are 30% and growing over the Cap. you can't really do to much for roster turnover. You can't afford to sign veteran Back up QBs, you really can't do too much in terms of roster changes. So you are stuck with an aging team. We knew this off-season we were one Oline man injury away from disaster. Couldn't do much, because we had to reign in the excess OTC. Allen had no shot with the hand he was dealt. The cap should have been fixed by now and maybe Allen would have had a shot. "but we missed on draft classes" yea no sheet... we also didn't have any money to supplement that failure.
 
I think what was even worse than what we already knew, Mickey wasn't firing DA if his hand wasn't forced was later in the interview the complete denial of Allen on getting fired. He says something along the lines of he doesn't think he got fired, instead the Saints were going in another direction and his direction wasn't what they wanted. Dudes special, I'll tell you that. You got fired. You failed at 2 head coaching jobs and were historically one of the worst all time to do it.
 
This is the quote that bugs me the most.



There's no color to help understand how the message was articulated. Maybe Loomis told DA that he wasn't in favor of it, but the team's performance left him no choice, or maybe Loomis said he was ok if DA just kept doing what he was doing, but Benson made him fire DA.

To me, when you have a discussion with the boss (Benson) about performance and options, that's the time to (fiercely) represent for your coach/team and defend a position of waiting until end of season. Maybe Loomis did this and lost. But, if the decision is made to terminate employment of the head coach, a good leader *owns that decision* and doesn't pass the buck.

Looking forward to a brighter future with a coach that is a leader of men and can inspire a team.
This was my first reaction as well. In addition to the valid reason you mentioned, I think that if this gets around it potentially damages one of the primary reasons that a candidate might be interested in the Saints and be willing to overlook our football-related deficits relative to other openings. Loomis has demonstrated a lot of loyalty to coaches and players during his tenure in the face of difficult circumstances (on and off the field). A coach wants to know that the GM has their back and is on the same page with ownership in key organizational decisions. Loomis (if what DA said is true) unnecessarily castrated himself by volunteering that he didn't want to fire DA and was overruled by an owner that doesn't really otherwise meddle in football decisions and is fairly green as it relates to football operations.

I've not been one to jump on the "fire Mickey" bandwagon by any means, and I'm still not there, but making a statement like that offers nothing but downside. He should know better. Hope it doesn't cost us.
 
This was my first reaction as well. In addition to the valid reason you mentioned, I think that if this gets around it potentially damages one of the primary reasons that a candidate might be interested in the Saints and be willing to overlook our football-related deficits relative to other openings. Loomis has demonstrated a lot of loyalty to coaches and players during his tenure in the face of difficult circumstances (on and off the field). A coach wants to know that the GM has their back and is on the same page with ownership in key organizational decisions. Loomis (if what DA said is true) unnecessarily castrated himself by volunteering that he didn't want to fire DA and was overruled by an owner that doesn't really otherwise meddle in football decisions and is fairly green as it relates to football operations.

I've not been one to jump on the "fire Mickey" bandwagon by any means, and I'm still not there, but making a statement like that offers nothing but downside. He should know better. Hope it doesn't cost us.

On the other hand, this also demonstrates to potential coaches that Loomis will have their back even if the owner wants to fire them and that it took the owner stepping in to make Loomis fire a coach in his third year on a 7 game losing streak.

Obviously not a good thing that it took this long for Loomis to fire DA or that Benson had to step in. But, from the perspective of a potential coach it sure makes Loomis look loyal to a fault.
 

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