Derek Carr world tour thread (updated with combine visits) (3 Viewers)

[DaveXA]

That's true, but if he doesn't, all heck is gonna break lose.

Not really. We'll lick our wounds, get a new coaching staff and move on for there. It's not the end of the world if it doesn't work out.

 

[DaveXA]

Payton waisted the window by thinking UDFA WRs and MT were good enough to get a SB. TLL never should have been in an NFL uniform in the first place. Payton's offense was good for the regular season, but not in the playoffs. You need more than 2 weapons in the playoffs. Payton's ego kept him from more rings.

But, I'd rather DA's defense and PC's 2012 offense if they can get Carr. That would be fun to watch. Outside of that, I don't think it's going to be pretty.

And, how did the Broncos fair going with rookies after Manning and a SB roster? Have they even had a winning season since? Be careful what you ask for.

Eh, we were a blown call away from the SB and a blown call away from advancing in the playoffs another season, arguable 2 other seasons. Regularly in the playoffs. The team was always competitive. People just bitter and forget what we actually had.

I agree, I'd much rather Carr than starting a rookie who will need to 2-3 years to get comfortable with the offense and vs NFL defenses.

 

[nakadish]

Eh, we were a blown call away from the SB and a blown call away from advancing in the playoffs another season, arguable 2 other seasons. Regularly in the playoffs. The team was always competitive. People just bitter and forget what we actually had.

I agree, I'd much rather Carr than starting a rookie who will need to 2-3 years to get comfortable with the offense and vs NFL defenses.

Personally, I think it's no coincidence that the Saints haven't made it back to the Super Bowl since they had 3 good receivers.

 

[44slayer]

Some of you fellas and Allen winning 11 games out of 17. It took him 44 games to win his first 11.

If he wins 11, he shouldnt get fired. 11 is a solid season, and he would deserve to keep going.....but the Vatican will have reps here investigating a miracle though. Theres going to be somewhere around 4 games every season, give or take, that a HC decisions will decide whether you win or lose. 4 is enough to take you from drafting in the top 10, to the playoffs. 7-10 could be 11-6. The difference between 7-10 and 11-6 is much smaller than people think. Thats the difference between good teams and good HCs and bad teams with bad HCs.

I guarantee you that theres 4 games last season that we lost, that simply going for a 4th and short instead of punting wouldve iced the game, or a different decision from Allen wouldve changed the outcome. Allen punted every single time on 4th down except when the situation was so out of control that you had to go for it. When the game hung in the balance, he chose to punt in every situation instead of going for the kill shot.

Getting Carr will make you better on offense. But you are still going to have those handful of games thats going to come down to decisions or a play here or there. Its going to be decisions from a HC. Thats where Allen wilts. He is a terrible in game manager on many levels. Maybe Carr plays well enough that it helps Allen grow a pair, and he takes chances to ice games instead of being the ultra passive HC that he has been his entire career.

 

[Saint Spud]

Some of you fellas and Allen winning 11 games out of 17. It took him 44 games to win his first 11.

If he wins 11, he shouldnt get fired, but the Vatican will have reps here investigating a miracle though. Theres going to be somewhere around 4 games every season, give or take, that a HC decisions will decide whether you win or lose. 4 is enough to take you from drafting in the top 10, to the playoffs. 7-10 could be 11-6. The difference between 7-10 and 11-6 is much smaller than people think. Thats the difference between good teams and good HCs and bad teams with bad HCs.

I guarantee you that theres 4 games last season that we lost, that simply going for a 4th and short instead of punting wouldve iced the game. Allen punted every single time on 4th down except when the situation was so out of control that you had to go for it on 4th down. When the game hung in the balance, he chose to punt in every situation instead of going for the kill shot.

Getting Carr will make you better on offense. But you are still going to have those handful of games thats going to come down to decisions or a play here or there. Its going to be decisions from a HC. Thats where Allen wilts. He is a terrible in game manager on many levels. Maybe Carr plays well enough that it helps Allen grow a pair, and he takes chances to ice games instead of being the ultra passive HC that he has been his entire career.

Thanks. This is all new information.

 

[44slayer]

Thanks. This is all new information.

No problem. You useless, pie in the sky information isnt exactly moving the thread along either. Might be time to use straw man again, its been 2 pages.

 

[sfidc3]

Honestly, I’d have to see an example of what you mean. Because the context in which I’ve seen people discussing Allen haven’t been “inflating” his coaching ability, but rather pointing out there are reasons beyond pure incompetence that might explain elements of what we’ve seen.

Hate to break it to you, but whatever “mistakes” (your word) you fear the team is making? They’ve already been made. Allen and PC are still here. And they’re trying to sign a big $ free agent QB to win now.

And some of us have accepted that’s the decision they’ve made and would rather discuss ways in which it COULD work as opposed to constantly crapping on the staff.

The Benson ownership (before hiring CSP) had a very obvious habit of holding onto coaching staffs to long. Mora had to quit, they wouldn't fire him after it was very obvious he had been declining, Ditka had to go 3-13 after back to back 6-10 seasons and they finally fired him, Haslett? OMG.....

Your "hate to break it to me" line is precious.....no shirt sherlock....and no one is "crapping" on this staff, they just haven't done anything yet to warrant a good argument for keeping them around, I haven't seen one yet in fact.....if that's offensive to you then perhaps you shouldn't read my posts.....

I realize that they are pursuing Carr, and I somewhat agree with Dave's post below, it at least buys us some time to draft a QB with a younger better HC and staff....

Well, even if it doesn't work out with Allen, you still have Carr, if he's signed, and hiring a coaching staff who can get the most out of him would be the way to go. They'll have time to work with Carr and build around him. So it's not all bad either way.

Agree to some extent, Carr on a 3 year deal wouldn't be a bad thing at this point IMO....

There are quite a few that think even though DA would win 10 or 11 games they's still want him fired

Nope, not me, if DA and staff guide this team to 10-7 or 11-6 there is no way you fire him, that is insanity. But the likelihood of that happening is slim IMO.....

 

[Saint Spud]

No problem. You useless, pie in the sky information isnt exactly moving the thread along either. Might be time to use straw man again, its been 2 pages.

 

[Saint Spud]

The Benson ownership (before hiring CSP) had a very obvious habit of holding onto coaching staffs to long. Mora had to quit, they wouldn't fire him after it was very obvious he had been declining, Ditka had to go 3-13 after back to back 6-10 seasons and they finally fired him, Haslett? OMG.....

Your "hate to break it to me" line is precious.....no shirt sherlock....and no one is "crapping" on this staff, they just haven't done anything yet to warrant a good argument for keeping them around, I haven't seen one yet in fact.....if that's offensive to you then perhaps you shouldn't read my posts.....

I realize that they are pursuing Carr, and I somewhat agree with Dave's post below, it at least buys us some time to draft a QB with a younger better HC and staff....



Agree to some extent, Carr on a 3 year deal wouldn't be a bad thing at this point IMO....



Nope, not me, if DA and staff guide this team to 10-7 or 11-6 there is no way you fire him, that is insanity. But the likelihood of that happening is slim IMO.....

It’s a football discussion my man! None of this offends me.

No one is trying to convince you that keeping him was the right decision. Pretty sure the great majority of this board believed he should be canned or were indifferent.

But that’s the point. A lot of us want to discuss potential additions and how they may fit our current reality. Which is that DA is here and the team is trying to win. Jumping in with some version of “DA stinks!” serves no purpose except you and others posting that temporarily feeling better about yelling into the ether.

 

[44slayer]

It’s a football discussion my man! None of this offends me.

No one is trying to convince you that keeping him was the right decision. Pretty sure the great majority of this board believed he should be canned or were indifferent.

But that’s the point. A lot of us want to discuss potential additions and how they may fit our current reality. Which is that DA is here and the team is trying to win. Jumping in with some version of “DA stinks!” serves no purpose except you and others posting that temporarily feeling better about yelling into the ether.

141 posts in this thread. 46 more than anyone else. And every one of them cutting edge information. Youve said the above probably 15-20 times. We get it. Allen is the coach in 2023. It doesnt mean everyone has to be thrilled about it, and even with a QB like Carr, he has to evolve as a HC and fast. 1493 people have been in this thread, and you have 8% of the responses - consistently telling anyone who says anything negative about Allen what every one of us already know - that he is the coach in 2023.

 

[Saint Spud]

141 posts in this thread. 46 more than anyone else. And every one of them cutting edge information. Youve said the above probably 15-20 times. We get it. Allen is the coach in 2023. It doesnt mean everyone has to be thrilled about it, and even with a QB like Carr, he has to evolve as a HC and fast. 1493 people have been in this thread, and you have 8% of the responses - consistently telling anyone who says anything negative about Allen what every one of us already know - that he is the coach in 2023.

And many of them trying to steer the conversation back on track!

It’s the offseason. Trying to discuss how to make the team better. I’m sure if you wanted to start a “DA stinks” thread, you’d have plenty of posters dying to jump in.

 

[sfidc3]

Thanks. This is all new information.

Naw, it's just information that some don't want to hear....

It’s a football discussion my man! None of this offends me.

No one is trying to convince you that keeping him was the right decision. Pretty sure the great majority of this board believed he should be canned or were indifferent.

But that’s the point. A lot of us want to discuss potential additions and how they may fit our current reality. Which is that DA is here and the team is trying to win. Jumping in with some version of “DA stinks!” serves no purpose except you and others posting that temporarily feeling better about yelling into the ether.

Actually I think the DA (both some and many versions) pie-in-the-sky vibes in this thread are more annoying....but I do understand some folks have to try to find positives wherever they can, no matter how absurd....

 

[Grumpy Old Manatee]

In what world could a 10 win season NOT be considered a step in the right direction?

MLB, NHL, NBA

 

[Saint Spud]

Naw, it's just information that some don't want to hear....



Actually I think the DA (both some and many versions) pie-in-the-sky vibes in this thread are more annoying....but I do understand some folks have to try to find positives wherever they can, no matter how absurd....

It’s information we’ve all heard over and over again and largely agree with.

Let me use a football example so maybe you, @44slayer and others can understand. Let’s say we’re playing the Falcons and DA calls a zero blitz on 3rd and 18 in the first quarter. Bad decision and leads to a TD.

Now let’s say we’re in the 4th quarter of that same game and it’s tied. We have a 4th and 1 at midfield. A bunch of us want to discuss the strategy of whether it’s worth going for it? Or do you punt and pin them deep?

What you and others are doing is yelling at everyone “it doesn’t matter! DA called that zero blitz so no matter what he does now will be wrong anyway!!”

Can you see how pointless that is?

 

[Rouxble]

The Bears have the first overall pick in 2023. There are four quarterbacks likely to go in the first half of the first round, and four teams with major quarterback needs in the top nine: Houston (two), Indianapolis (four), Las Vegas (seven) and Carolina (nine). I hear—though it might be smoke—that none of the four wants to scotch-tape a veteran like 39-year-old Aaron Rodgers and probably not Derek Carr.

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