Poll Does anyone feel bad for Sean Payton??

[Optimistic Ozzy]

He's been becoming the Cowboys coach since 2010.....utter and total BS....

I don't think it's too far fetched to happen.

 

[2024InjuryApocalypse]

When Sean Payton called Nathaniel Hackett’s 15-game stint with the Broncos “one of the worst coaching jobs in the history of the NFL,” it sounded cruel and unnecessary. Now it sounds foolish. Hackett was 1-1 at this point last season in Denver. Payton’s Broncos are 0-2 after giving up an 18-point lead to the Washington Commanders in a thriller that ended 35-33 after a failed Denver two-point conversion following a miraculous Hail Mary.

The game ended in controversy as Commanders cornerback Benjamin St-Juste was draped all over Courtland Sutton during that final two-point conversion. But none of that should take away from the fact that Denver should have been riding into Week 3 with a 1-1 record, thrilled with the direction of the Russell Wilson-Payton marriage.

The pairing was nearly perfect for most of the first half. Wilson slaughtered the Commanders’ defense, and finally looked like the Wilson of old. He moved well, executed passes of various depths (including a beautiful bomb to Marvin Mims), and commanded a Payton playbook that kept Washington’s defense in a state of confusion. Wilson ended the first half 6-8 with 154 yards and two touchdowns.

Then, in a repeat of Week 1’s loss to the Raiders, the Broncos became dazed, confused, and just plain bad. Denver led 21-3 in the third quarter, but the Commanders then scored 32 of the next 35 points. Most of the second half was filled with miscues from Denver on both sides of the ball before their late rally almost sent the game into overtime. The defense operated with no urgency, the offense with no rhythm or mojo.

After the game, Payton addressed the team’s lackluster second half.

“There was a number of drives where we’re late with personnel, getting out of the huddle we took a while. That’s got to change. We burned timeouts in the first half, and I’m not used to doing [that]. We’ve got to be better. I’ve got to be better, Russ has got to be sharper getting the play out,” Payton said.

Payton also suggested that Wilson may need to wear a wristband, something the quarterback resisted under Pete Carroll at the Seattle Seahawks. Last November, Carroll lauded Geno Smith for wearing a wristband as Smith and the Seahawks were outperforming expectations. It was a bit of a dig at his former quarterback to which Wilson responded, “I didn’t know winning or losing mattered if you wore a wristband or not.”.............

Sean Payton finds coaching Wilson and the Broncos isn’t so easy after all

The head coach called out the efforts of his predecessor in Denver, Nathaniel Hackett. But he is hardly shining in Denver himself

www.theguardian.com

Largely agree with you but I think they should be 2-0 going into week 3. Raiders and Commanders are your openers? A decent team is 2-0 with that slate. The Raiders got obliterated by Buffalo so it's not like they're some under the radar good team.

 

[the-commish]

I don't feel sorry for Sean Payton. I might start to feel a little sympathy for him after his team likely loses to the Dolphins in South Florida, and goes 0-3.

 

[RebSaint]

I'm embracing these emotions clowns like badges of honor...haha.

And you must be something because this was my very first post in this thread.



@bigdaddysaints said this


to which I replied.


See this is why reading is fundamental. If you actually followed the thread instead of seeing Winston and getting automatically triggered, 2 and 2 would have came together. Instead, you are doing this...lol. Now that we are tracking, back to our regularly scheduled topic.


My thoughts exactly. My man told Russ to stop kissing babies. lol

Yes, you're emotional about it, alright.

Keep beating that silly drum and accusing others of not reading or comprehending and you'll get the clowns you so richly deserve.

 

[PHSaint518]

Hate to break it to you, Loomis would not draft Wiliams. Loomis and company went and got Carr, and thats who they are gonna stick with (which i am perfectly fine with)

Don’t be ridiculous. Carr is a short term fix who we can easily move off after 2 seasons if we so wish. Williams is a generational talent who will likely deliver 15 years of top 5 level QB play. No GM in the league is passing on Williams in that hypothetical situation.

 

[Rexman100]

Part of me wondering if there was any in house conflict. It just seem so abrupt.

Hey ive said this a few times, and it seems im the only one that picked up on it because no one agreed or disagreed. I vividly recall a video phone interview with Sean Payton after we beat Green Bay while he was away w/ Covid. I looked forward to this interview because I was expecting to see him overjoyed with the teams performance without him being there. Instead, his demeanor and tone suggested something else. At the time i pinpointed it to sounding remorseful. I wondered why feel that way at that time. His reaction told me that he was done in NOLA. Was he forced to leave as you suggest "in house conflict" or he was just sad because it was over and he saw that the team was going to be alright w/ DA at the helm moving forward. It certainly did seem abrtupt.

 

[NewOrleansFan]

In 2019 when the rumor was, he is going to Dallas, and he signed the extension and gave an interview about how much he loved the City and Franchise. (BS) Then from the moment he retired, he spoke publicly about returning to coaching, even citing teams that were in (arguably) good situations as HIS top choices, such as the Chargers and Cowboys. I don’t understand why everyone has just been cool with this, seems extremely scummy. If he was burnt out, I think it would have been more than a year to recharge his batteries. As fans we do not owe him anything for doing his job. He was under contract he owed the team. Unlike players Coaches contracts are fully guaranteed, unless you quit. So yes, I feel like a dumped lover. I hope he goes 0-17 not just for the draft pick but I'm PO'ed
I do believe his stint in Denver will tarnish his legacy.

Add the Miami fiasco while he was still coaching the Saints. Hope he gets top 5 pick next year but not 1 of 2.

 

[sidwin]

I’m loving it!!!

More than the Failcants losing! Looooove it!

I hate to admit it but metoo lol

 

[Euthan]

If the girl of your dreams dumps you, goes celibate for a year, and then finds that the grass isn't always greener, do you feel bad for her?

 

[Saint Jack]

It shouldn’t be surprising.
It’s rare a Super Bowl coach succeeds on their second team.

 

[livefromDC]

Just thinking of the caliber of guard or TE or LB the Saints can get in the front half of the 2nd round makes me giddy. It is truly an ideal situation: I can hope for a much needed high draft pick and not have the dread of the Saints losing games to get it.

 

[Tapxe]

NGL...In 2023, I'd rather live in Denver, CO than New Orleans. I curse this city/state daily.

That aside, he had a contractual obligation and left us hanging with a deconstructed roster of his own making...

"He didn't like the QB room" - he created the QB room, that's his mess to clean up

I get why though...he felt like he was getting worked over and there wasn't going to ever catch a break from getting screwed in NOLA....so he looked for a more influential ownership group to give some top cover...don't think it's going to work. He's being sent a message that no matter where he goes...he'll never be safe

I wouldn't call it lost self awareness...more a lack of impulse control...and stubborness

While I won't say you are wrong, I will say that it may be as likely a mutual parting.

• He wasn't exactly making friends with the NFL offices.
• His record wasn't trending right in many ways from acquisition to injury to QB dev.
• That whole Miami thing which IDK how to factor properly if at all.
• The shady referee work against a too small mkt team post Katrina sympathy

If they played nice, he can say it was burn out and they can salvage a draft pick rather than firing the first and only Superbowl winning coach in team history.

So both sides had some decent motivation to be professional about parting.

 

[Saint Jack]

While I won't say you are wrong, I will say that it may be as likely a mutual parting.

• He wasn't exactly making friends with the NFL offices.
• His record wasn't trending right in many ways from acquisition to injury to QB dev.
• That whole Miami thing which IDK how to factor properly if at all.
• The shady referee work against a too small mkt team post Katrina sympathy

If they played nice, he can say it was burn out and they can salvage a draft pick rather than firing the first and only Superbowl winning coach in team history.

So both sides had some decent motivation to be professional about parting.

I don’t agree with the entire “League vs small market” angle for several reasons.
1. The League kept putting the Saints in prime time and game of the week slots.
2. The ratings did not dip or significantly decrease when the Saints were in those slots.
3. Contrary to popular belief, the Saints have been one of the most marketable teams of the 00s/10s.
4. At this point, it’s been almost two decades since the franchise rebooted. They are one of the established teams in the League. A good 80% of the players right now don’t know a time when the Saints weren’t competitive.
5. The only ones that still bring up the Baghead Daya are a few 60-70 year old reporters like Cowherd who won’t change their mind.

 

[abnrgr]

Given the conspiracy theories about how much the NFL hates CSP. What if the NFL lets us win this year as a way to twist the knife in Sean? All make believe of course.