Poll Does anyone feel bad for Sean Payton??

[Rexman100]

Yes .
Surprised by the high percentage of No's.
I read most of the posts. A pretty lot of bitter feelings. My thought is centered around what euphoria Payton brought to New Orleans and every Saints fan. And for how long our team was relevant. Under Payton.
Yes -- we had down years with him. But it wasn't always his fault. And never ONLY his fault. He had his weaknesses as head coach. And we let him have it here on
saintsreport.com when he showed those weaknesses. Even called for his head.
But the man repeatedly turned the Saints around. And except for being robbed by refs/Goodell, the Saints and Payton should have two more Super Bowl trophies -- at least.
Did Payton do us wrong by the way he left the city? Perhaps. But the coach is human.
I don't hold anything against him. For what he brought to New Orleans and the fans, and because he is an upstanding man, I want the best for him. I will never forget our glory days that lasted years. We owe Payton for that period. And yes -- I care if he has a rough time in Denver. I want to see him succeed there.

This is where I wonder how this came to be the narrative and if there was actually more to it. He was building the offense around Winston and as that was being installed, we were 4-2, Winston was one of the most efficient QBs in the league, and we were staring at 1st place in the NFC South (and we had it for a week). I truly feel that with how the season played out with all of those injuries and having to game plan around that, he was legitimately burnt out. But none of us really know what happened. But anyone with eyes knew that working with Russell Wilson wasn't going to be a walk in the park based on his style of play.

He wasn’t close to burnt out. He protected his stock price and literally forced his way out to do so. He wanted that next contract. He got it, now it doesn’t matter what happens really. I’m now leaning it was about money and not his legacy. Because it makes more sense this way. Had he sat out for three years, then it was burnout. He knew he couldn’t build in Nola. He was headed for 7-9 x 3. At least with Denver he’ll be 7-9 x 3. But a ton richer in the process. If he selectively “burns out“ in NOLA after 3 x 7-9. His street value is a one year prove it deal. He chose correctly so it is what it is.

 

[BayouSAINTJoe]

NGL...In 2023, I'd rather live in Denver, CO than New Orleans. I curse this city/state daily.

That aside, he had a contractual obligation and left us hanging with a deconstructed roster of his own making...

"He didn't like the QB room" - he created the QB room, that's his mess to clean up

I get why though...he felt like he was getting worked over and there wasn't going to ever catch a break from getting screwed in NOLA....so he looked for a more influential ownership group to give some top cover...don't think it's going to work. He's being sent a message that no matter where he goes...he'll never be safe

And throw him talking smack about the former Broncos coach. Payton is so self absorbed that he lost is self-awareness.

I wouldn't call it lost self awareness...more a lack of impulse control...and stubborness

 

[RebSaint]

The conversation is Sean Payton left because of the QB and not the overall situation, as was alluded to in the post. This looks like another episode of you not reading the thread...

I read enough to know that you bring this issue up in multiple threads regardless of the topic. Yet another episode of making a dubious assumption of me not reading things.

Stop.

 

[UFCSaint]

I loved Payton and draft pick notwithstanding....I hope he does well in Denver. But as others have stated...he chose to leave and he chose to walk into a situation that is not currently built for success. Maybe he wanted the challenge and if so...he def got one (he at least does appear to be getting Wilson back on track though.) Also, he got paid well so do I feel sorry for him? Not at all.

 

[jahsoul357]

I read enough to know that you bring this issue up in multiple threads regardless of the topic. Yet another episode of making a dubious assumption of me not reading things.

Stop.

Reading if fundamental. Don't get mad at me you didn't take 5 seconds to actually read what I replying before hopping in making yourself look crazy...

 

[RebSaint]

Reading if fundamental. Don't get mad at me you didn't take 5 seconds to actually read what I replying before hopping in making yourself look crazy...

Yes, reading is fundamental. My reading skills and comprehension are just fine.

I'm not mad at you. I'm just making an observation--from reading your posts in multiple threads, not just this one.

Crazy? Like bringing up the Winston/Dalton crap in every thread? It's exhausting and it ends up derailing a lot of quality threads.

 

[jahsoul357]

Yes, reading is fundamental. My reading skills and comprehension are just fine.

I'm not mad at you. I'm just making an observation--from reading your posts in multiple threads, not just this one.

Crazy? Like bringing up the Winston/Dalton crap in every thread? It's exhausting and it ends up derailing a lot of quality threads.

I'm embracing these emotions clowns like badges of honor...haha.

And you must be something because this was my very first post in this thread.

We went 9-8 with 4 QBs, UDFA and practice squad dudes at WR, running back room of Kamara and others, and a 13 O-lineman rotation due to injuries. I don't know why anyone is questioning his coaching.

@bigdaddysaints said this

its questioned because it seems like he didn't want put in the effort, when it got hard to do, he bailed and went to a team that already had a proven SB winning QB. If Winston worked out, he'd still be in NO.

to which I replied.

This is where I wonder how this came to be the narrative and if there was actually more to it. He was building the offense around Winston and as that was being installed, we were 4-2, Winston was one of the most efficient QBs in the league, and we were staring at 1st place in the NFC South (and we had it for a week). I truly feel that with how the season played out with all of those injuries and having to game plan around that, he was legitimately burnt out. But none of us really know what happened. But anyone with eyes knew that working with Russell Wilson wasn't going to be a walk in the park based on his style of play.

See this is why reading is fundamental. If you actually followed the thread instead of seeing Winston and getting automatically triggered, 2 and 2 would have came together. Instead, you are doing this...lol. Now that we are tracking, back to our regularly scheduled topic.

I wouldn't call it lost self awareness...more a lack of impulse control...and stubborness

My thoughts exactly. My man told Russ to stop kissing babies. lol

 

[jahsoul357]

Wow....while I don't feel bad for Sean Payton, seeing Eberflus get ran over by the bus he just got tossed under made me double take.



Waiting to hear the additional detail on this one..lol

 

[Que Que 6]

Not at all....no reason to.....he needs a year or 2 to rebuild, Denver's roster is not very strong.....check back in a few years....

He will have retired two more times by then. 2025 Cowboys coach is.....

 

[Optimus Prime]

When Sean Payton called Nathaniel Hackett’s 15-game stint with the Broncos “one of the worst coaching jobs in the history of the NFL,” it sounded cruel and unnecessary. Now it sounds foolish. Hackett was 1-1 at this point last season in Denver. Payton’s Broncos are 0-2 after giving up an 18-point lead to the Washington Commanders in a thriller that ended 35-33 after a failed Denver two-point conversion following a miraculous Hail Mary.

The game ended in controversy as Commanders cornerback Benjamin St-Juste was draped all over Courtland Sutton during that final two-point conversion. But none of that should take away from the fact that Denver should have been riding into Week 3 with a 1-1 record, thrilled with the direction of the Russell Wilson-Payton marriage.

The pairing was nearly perfect for most of the first half. Wilson slaughtered the Commanders’ defense, and finally looked like the Wilson of old. He moved well, executed passes of various depths (including a beautiful bomb to Marvin Mims), and commanded a Payton playbook that kept Washington’s defense in a state of confusion. Wilson ended the first half 6-8 with 154 yards and two touchdowns.

Then, in a repeat of Week 1’s loss to the Raiders, the Broncos became dazed, confused, and just plain bad. Denver led 21-3 in the third quarter, but the Commanders then scored 32 of the next 35 points. Most of the second half was filled with miscues from Denver on both sides of the ball before their late rally almost sent the game into overtime. The defense operated with no urgency, the offense with no rhythm or mojo.

After the game, Payton addressed the team’s lackluster second half.

“There was a number of drives where we’re late with personnel, getting out of the huddle we took a while. That’s got to change. We burned timeouts in the first half, and I’m not used to doing [that]. We’ve got to be better. I’ve got to be better, Russ has got to be sharper getting the play out,” Payton said.

Payton also suggested that Wilson may need to wear a wristband, something the quarterback resisted under Pete Carroll at the Seattle Seahawks. Last November, Carroll lauded Geno Smith for wearing a wristband as Smith and the Seahawks were outperforming expectations. It was a bit of a dig at his former quarterback to which Wilson responded, “I didn’t know winning or losing mattered if you wore a wristband or not.”.............

Sean Payton finds coaching Wilson and the Broncos isn’t so easy after all

The head coach called out the efforts of his predecessor in Denver, Nathaniel Hackett. But he is hardly shining in Denver himself

www.theguardian.com

 

[4T L4ST]

*looks in wallet* Nope.

 

[football]

When Sean Payton called Nathaniel Hackett’s 15-game stint with the Broncos “one of the worst coaching jobs in the history of the NFL,” it sounded cruel and unnecessary. Now it sounds foolish. Hackett was 1-1 at this point last season in Denver. Payton’s Broncos are 0-2 after giving up an 18-point lead to the Washington Commanders in a thriller that ended 35-33 after a failed Denver two-point conversion following a miraculous Hail Mary.

The game ended in controversy as Commanders cornerback Benjamin St-Juste was draped all over Courtland Sutton during that final two-point conversion. But none of that should take away from the fact that Denver should have been riding into Week 3 with a 1-1 record, thrilled with the direction of the Russell Wilson-Payton marriage.

The pairing was nearly perfect for most of the first half. Wilson slaughtered the Commanders’ defense, and finally looked like the Wilson of old. He moved well, executed passes of various depths (including a beautiful bomb to Marvin Mims), and commanded a Payton playbook that kept Washington’s defense in a state of confusion. Wilson ended the first half 6-8 with 154 yards and two touchdowns.

Then, in a repeat of Week 1’s loss to the Raiders, the Broncos became dazed, confused, and just plain bad. Denver led 21-3 in the third quarter, but the Commanders then scored 32 of the next 35 points. Most of the second half was filled with miscues from Denver on both sides of the ball before their late rally almost sent the game into overtime. The defense operated with no urgency, the offense with no rhythm or mojo.

After the game, Payton addressed the team’s lackluster second half.

“There was a number of drives where we’re late with personnel, getting out of the huddle we took a while. That’s got to change. We burned timeouts in the first half, and I’m not used to doing [that]. We’ve got to be better. I’ve got to be better, Russ has got to be sharper getting the play out,” Payton said.

Payton also suggested that Wilson may need to wear a wristband, something the quarterback resisted under Pete Carroll at the Seattle Seahawks. Last November, Carroll lauded Geno Smith for wearing a wristband as Smith and the Seahawks were outperforming expectations. It was a bit of a dig at his former quarterback to which Wilson responded, “I didn’t know winning or losing mattered if you wore a wristband or not.”.............

Sean Payton finds coaching Wilson and the Broncos isn’t so easy after all

The head coach called out the efforts of his predecessor in Denver, Nathaniel Hackett. But he is hardly shining in Denver himself

www.theguardian.com

Honestly that was a lucky play by Denver with that Hail Mary. That's like 1 percent chance that would be successful. People can say all that want about the non call but that Hail Mary shouldn't have happened anyway. Washington deserve to win that game.

 

[sfidc3]

He will have retired two more times by then. 2025 Cowboys coach is.....

He's been becoming the Cowboys coach since 2010.....utter and total BS....

 

[KaYoTiiC]

I’m loving it!!!

More than the Failcants losing! Looooove it!