Poll Does anyone feel bad for Sean Payton?? (1 Viewer)

[bigdaddysaints]

We went 9-8 with 4 QBs, UDFA and practice squad dudes at WR, running back room of Kamara and others, and a 13 O-lineman rotation due to injuries. I don't know why anyone is questioning his coaching.

its questioned because it seems like he didn't want put in the effort, when it got hard to do, he bailed and went to a team that already had a proven SB winning QB. If Winston worked out, he'd still be in NO.

 

[LUX]

Pick 33 would be sweet. That'd set them up for Caleb though, which whatever I'd rather him be in the AFC.

Still doesn't mean they will be good. College and NFL are really different. I honestly think he won't don't do that well in the NFL.

 

[RJ in Lafayette]

Nope.

If you were asking about a serious illness, the answer of course would be totally different.

But as much as I respect him as a coach, on a professional level, I am feeling a bit of Scadenfreund but largely indifference.

 

[sidwin]

Tell your broncos buddy to enjoy a 7-9 season.

We also had one of the greatest QBs in the world during some bad seasons…

lol I should change the title of this thread to who is enjoying watching Sean Payton and the broncos suffer

 

[Rexman100]

I know the REAL reason why SP hightailed it to Denver!!!!

Going to need a more detailed explanation to this post. I’m not exactly understanding .,,so more pics would be helpful.

 

[Clintonrebel]

No hard feelings. Wish him well. But honestly he doesn’t look healthy or happy.

 

[jahsoul357]

its questioned because it seems like he didn't want put in the effort, when it got hard to do, he bailed and went to a team that already had a proven SB winning QB. If Winston worked out, he'd still be in NO.

This is where I wonder how this came to be the narrative and if there was actually more to it. He was building the offense around Winston and as that was being installed, we were 4-2, Winston was one of the most efficient QBs in the league, and we were staring at 1st place in the NFC South (and we had it for a week). I truly feel that with how the season played out with all of those injuries and having to game plan around that, he was legitimately burnt out. But none of us really know what happened. But anyone with eyes knew that working with Russell Wilson wasn't going to be a walk in the park based on his style of play.

 

[No2DC]

The person who dumped you is struggling. It's all good.

 

[bigdaddysaints]

This is where I wonder how this came to be the narrative and if there was actually more to it. He was building the offense around Winston and as that was being installed, we were 4-2, Winston was one of the most efficient QBs in the league, and we were staring at 1st place in the NFC South (and we had it for a week). I truly feel that with how the season played out with all of those injuries and having to game plan around that, he was legitimately burnt out. But none of us really know what happened. But anyone with eyes knew that working with Russell Wilson wasn't going to be a walk in the park based on his style of play.

But it was also no secret that SP wanted Wilson here in NO when talks of a trade first came out about Wilson.
Had Derrick Carr been available while SP was here, we would still have SP, i have no doubt.

 

[HouseCall]

We went 9-8 with 4 QBs, UDFA and practice squad dudes at WR, running back room of Kamara and others, and a 13 O-lineman rotation due to injuries. I don't know why anyone is questioning his coaching.

I don’t think his ability to coach should be questioned. However, undoubtedly Payton will have to face the same scrutiny that Belichick is facing post-Brady. The question still remains, can you be an exceptional coach without an exceptional QB.

Bill’s record without Brady is sub-.500. Payton without Brees as his QB is around .500.

So Payton is a good coach but he needs to win with the Broncos (or more specifically) without a Drew Brees to show he’s a great or exceptional coach. The kind of coach you trade draft picks for the right to hire.

 

[Rexman100]

Right, but if Payton is the guru that I thought he was, he should have seen that in Wilson and possibly not taken the job. Of course, he could just be playing out the string so they can jettison Russ and draft or sign a replacement.... In my opinion Sean's hubris led him to believe he could fix Russ.....and maybe he can't. A system coach like CSP who is supposed to be the most clever guy in the room should have seen the possible landmine in a QB who "cooks" up fly by the seat of your pants offense and considered it. He didn't. Drew was the pinnacle of a guy who ran an offense the way it should be ran, there will never be another Drew.

Denver is locked in on Sean and I don't think he could go 0-16 and have it cost him his job. I love Payton and there's no doubt he helped change the fortunes of the Saints. He and Drew (and many others) breathed life back into Saints football when more than a few folks wrote them off.

Again, I love Sean but I am excited for a future without him. Allen may not be the long term answer, but now that he's had an off-season to work on that D and get a pretty good quarterback for the offense he's not quite looking like who we thought he was either. Dennis Allen is now a little more loose and can operate with a bit more edge and it will get better if they continue to win. If the offense just starts clicking a little bit - this D could take us to a Superbowl. Under Allen. Jeez....talk about Pigs flying...

what bothered me is that SP let fear make his decision. Sure, his market value (remember the NFL is a business with 32 franchises), was trending down quickly after DB retired. But instead of waiting it out he bailed before his stock price plummeted even further. He couldn’t quit fast enough, he was still under contract and he forced a quit to stop the hemmorage. This leads me to conclude : he really didn’t believe in his ability to turn it around, or that he’s straight up money hungry. And I dont think he’s money hungry. Some may respond with, hey he was here 16 years he was burned out. That excuse holds water if he sits out three years in a row. Not one season, LOL. And he still could’ve taken back over the Saints because he was under contract. So it’s clear to me it was about “perception” and ego. What monkey wrenches this, is, why choose Denver with an aging Qb that cannot make plays with his legs anymore. In the strongest division in the game. I think he screwed himself with indecision Or too quick of decision making. Like after gett8ng owned by Seattle, that he’d quickly turn our D into theirs in one offseason, then later abandon the idea when it didn’t come close to working. (picking up Brandon Browner plus other long Cb that couldn’t play).

 

[jahsoul357]

But it was also no secret that SP wanted Wilson here in NO when talks of a trade first came out about Wilson.
Had Derrick Carr been available while SP was here, we would still have SP, i have no doubt.

When was that? We didn't hear anything about Sean Payton wanting Russ. It was more like Russ wanted to come here.

 

[RebSaint]

This is where I wonder how this came to be the narrative and if there was actually more to it. He was building the offense around Winston and as that was being installed, we were 4-2, Winston was one of the most efficient QBs in the league, and we were staring at 1st place in the NFC South (and we had it for a week). I truly feel that with how the season played out with all of those injuries and having to game plan around that, he was legitimately burnt out. But none of us really know what happened. But anyone with eyes knew that working with Russell Wilson wasn't going to be a walk in the park based on his style of play.

Do we have to have this conversation literally in every. single. thread?

I mean, you seem to want to beat this silly drum regardless of the topic.

 

[jahsoul357]

Do we have to have this conversation literally in every. single. thread?

I mean, you seem to want to beat this silly drum regardless of the topic.

The conversation is Sean Payton left because of the QB and not the overall situation, as was alluded to in the post. This looks like another episode of you not reading the thread...

 

[Paper Bags]

We went 9-8 with 4 QBs, UDFA and practice squad dudes at WR, running back room of Kamara and others, and a 13 O-lineman rotation due to injuries. I don't know why anyone is questioning his coaching.

Good point, but is he going to be able to learn and adjust his coaching style to the construction and ability of the team, or is the team going to have to rebuild to meet his coaching style? He has only lost by a few points each game so it's not like he is incompetent. I think in time he will have success, but maybe not at the level he had with Drew. Like I said, time will tell.