Dolphin fans overreaction Monday: Refs (2 Viewers)

[Big Lob]

Eh, any time you have a team blow a 3 TD lead, of course, there's going to be crazy moments.

 

[Galbreath34]

1 and 5 are the only ones with merit.

The clock wouldn't stop for chains, but would for automatic booth review of a play at the goal line.

If I were a Miami fan I could see arguing both 1 and 5. For 5, Hochuli would have ruled the same BS he did for Peterson sort of "for" us on the Shanle one (a safety and the ball may have been better for us).

The two to me that balance this out for me if I'm say a Houston fan watching this game: the malfunction -- if they don't wind up with that they don't pin us inside the 10 and the noise may not cause the penalties or the turnover that leads to the first score. Two gigantic missed holding calls on Ricky's 68 yard TD. The one sealing the inside especially was pulling jersey with the other hand wrapped around to boot.

Flat out the officiating sucked all around, and if I were a Miami fan I'd see it as enough to grumble, but feel like we got beat plain and simple. I think the passing while still ahead was more than enough to seal their fate (6 passes for two 3 & outs).

Similarly, while I feel robbed by the missed face mask and lame "special Ed Hochuli only" interpretation of what counts as a fumble in the Minnesota game, we let that get away plenty on our own. Two huge returns by Bush kept it close, but we just didn't finish a lot of drives when it counted.

 

[KikkomanSauce]

1 and 5 are the only ones with merit.

The clock wouldn't stop for chains, but would for automatic booth review of a play at the goal line.

If I were a Miami fan I could see arguing both 1 and 5. For 5, Hochuli would have ruled the same BS he did for Peterson sort of "for" us on the Shanle one (a safety and the ball may have been better for us).

The two to me that balance this out for me if I'm say a Houston fan watching this game: the malfunction -- if they don't wind up with that they don't pin us inside the 10 and the noise may not cause the penalties or the turnover that leads to the first score. Two gigantic missed holding calls on Ricky's 68 yard TD. The one sealing the inside especially was pulling jersey with the other hand wrapped around to boot.

Flat out the officiating sucked all around, and if I were a Miami fan I'd see it as enough to grumble, but feel like we got beat plain and simple. I think the passing while still ahead was more than enough to seal their fate (6 passes for two 3 & outs).

Similarly, while I feel robbed by the missed face mask and lame "special Ed Hochuli only" interpretation of what counts as a fumble in the Minnesota game, we let that get away plenty on our own. Two huge returns by Bush kept it close, but we just didn't finish a lot of drives when it counted.

I agree with your post somewhat, but unless they make a horrible call that nullifies or allows a winning score, blaming the refs for anything can be ridiculous, especially asking if they have money on the game. Also, I hope you can get over that Minnesota game. A year is a long time to be angry about some calls.

 

[redlandssaintsson]

Sounds like a bunch of Saints fans...

 

[Galbreath34]

Nah, I'm over it. I even said at the time, despite the robbery, it was on us for failing elsewhere. There are small occasions where teams really both maximize their chances and one fateful call can make a difference. I don't think the Saints have ever been in one of those games.

Sounds like a bunch of Saints fans...

Seahawks fans are still crying a river over the game in Detriot. Evidently the refs caused Parker to get that 70+ yard TD and Hines ward to get open all day. Ever fan base gets worked up over bad calls, but I think in general the sane fans here win out after the argument is hashed out.


BTW, don't tell me that if that Polamalu call against the Colts had made the difference that Steeler fans wouldn't be talking about it to this day

 

[litedave]

What a bunch of whiney babies.

 

[St.Freethinker]

1. I don't know if Sharper scored or not.

2. The clock would have stopped on the pass to Colston no matter what. It stops to move the chains. The Saints would have had time to either kick a field goal or run a play.

3. You can't fumble out of bounds to stop the clock. That's a penalty too; so it's either an illegal forward pass or an unsportsmanlike conduct penalty. The result is essentially the same--maybe even worse.

4. This is just stupid. It had no bearing on the final result anyway.

5. He wasn't down...the ball was coming out already and that is the rule.

The clock does not stop to move chains. Thats in college, not the NFL. The clock would have ran out. It doesn't matter anyway. EVERYONE thought that was a TD when it happened. The ref made the call he had to make. He saw a TD so he called a TD.

 

[Section126]

What do you mean? They reversed that TD and that's when Brees had to dive in to get the points.

Had they called it correctly at first instead of calling it a TD...the clock runs out. (you had no timeouts) instead...they reviewed it and that stopped the clock and allowed another play.

 

[NPs6724]

Had they called it correctly at first instead of calling it a TD...the clock runs out. (you had no timeouts) instead...they reviewed it and that stopped the clock and allowed another play.

Had they called it correctly, it'd be a TD. Colston fumbled the ball and then recovered it himself on the white of the goalline. So it truly would've been a reception, fumble, and TD.

 

[bergeaux]

While I agree with him that there were some bad calls that went against Miami (see my thread about it here), there were plenty that went against us too. The bottom line is that every team needs to make SURE that they win the game and don't make any mistakes to let the refs take it away. I've been saying that for weeks....

We had at least two bad calls (no replay and the non-holding call) that cost us two TDs on defense in the end.

 

[Section126]

Had they called it correctly, it'd be a TD. Colston fumbled the ball and then recovered it himself on the white of the goalline. So it truly would've been a reception, fumble, and TD.

no dude. the replay was clear. he had possesion when his knee was down.


Anyway...int he last two minutes of a half or game...FORWARD fumbles cannot be advanced.

correct me if I am wrong though...

But I am positive that his knee was down and he had possesion. the replay officials also agreed. They could have called that fumble and recovery as well...although i think the rule is you cannot advance a fumble in the last 2 minutes.

 

[Budsdrinker]

you can copy and paste this after every week.

the only one I had an issue with was the Colston catch at the end of the half. they get it right.....then we go to the half at 24-3.

other than that...the refs were bad for both teams. there were holds on both teams. late hits..etc...incompetent refs screw both teams equally.

There is no way in real time can you say Colston was down before he crossed the goal. It took extreme slow motion replay frame by frame to see his knee down before the ball broke the plain. If you need to blame anyone blame the Dolphins ST for not having the right personnel out there for a kick which caused them to call a TO. They had too many men on the field and would have been penalized had the Saints kicked the FG

 

[Budsdrinker]

no dude. the replay was clear. he had possesion when his knee was down.


Anyway...int he last two minutes of a half or game...FORWARD fumbles cannot be advanced.

correct me if I am wrong though...

But I am positive that his knee was down and he had possesion. the replay officials also agreed. They could have called that fumble and recovery as well...although i think the rule is you cannot advance a fumble in the last 2 minutes.

The fumble has to be recovered by the person who fumbles it to be advanced.

 

[Saint Jeremy]

Had they called it correctly at first instead of calling it a TD...the clock runs out. (you had no timeouts) instead...they reviewed it and that stopped the clock and allowed another play.

No way a ref can call that play (him being down) correctly in live time. So they called it a TD. And it was reviewed automatically because it was less than 2 minutes.

It wasn't a bad call, it was a close call. Sometimes those go your way, sometimes they don't. I can't fault the official on those. You should be more concerned with your secondary for allowing the catch.

 

[NPs6724]

no dude. the replay was clear. he had possesion when his knee was down.


Anyway...int he last two minutes of a half or game...FORWARD fumbles cannot be advanced.

correct me if I am wrong though...

But I am positive that his knee was down and he had possesion. the replay officials also agreed. They could have called that fumble and recovery as well...although i think the rule is you cannot advance a fumble in the last 2 minutes.

Only the person who fumbled may recover and advance the fumble.

The ball is in between Colston's elbows when his knee touches. The refs could've gone either way and they went the same as Hochuli (essentially "The ball is coming out but the ball is still touching the receiver's hands so it's down by contact") but they could've just as easily called it a fumble.

And in real-time at real speed, it looks much more like a TD than not.