Draft at least two O-Linemen earlyish (10 Viewers)

[la. champ1]

We need guard help bad. Watching this GB interior dominate our guys is painful.

Can Will Campbell play guard? Is he a better guard than tackle? He could offer good flexibility to play tackle also.

If not this is a good guard class with guys out of Georgia, TAMU, Cinci

We needs guys that are over 320 lbs but can move.

Will Campbell is a franchise left tackle not a guard. With exception of Fuaga and center McCoy (depth behind him needed) every position on the o line should be open. Both guard spots can use huge upgrades. Competition should be brought in for Penning. If he continues to improve so be it but he should have to legit compete against the best we can get for it.

 

[Eeyore]

Yes!

We should totally follow the Bears' model of three really good wide receivers, a good running back, a very good tight end, a super talented quarterback and five bums on the offensive line.

We could be as good as they are!

 

[rsmith2783]

You and me both. In fact, I'm even irritated you reminded me of that draft. I was so incredibly mad they didn't trade up to get Jefferson. It was only like 3 or 4 spots if I remember correctly. Then they take Ruiz while they're were some obvious great players on the board like Brandon Aiyuk, Patrick Queen, Tee Higgins, Winfield Jr. IF they absolutely felt necessary to go with a Guard, Robert Hunt was right there, available. Anyone who watched both Ruiz and Hunt new that Hunt was much better.

I really don't understand what the hell they were thinking in that pick. To this day I wonder if that's the point were Sean knew he needed to get out of New Orleans.

Same. Almost felt like SP was sabotaging us on his way out or something. No idea what he saw there, especially considering we were down to our last opportunity with Brees. The absolute last thing we needed at that time was a developmental interior line prospect with a high pick; just a complete waste of a premium asset at a time we had very few.

I didn't realize it at the time, but one of my family members had me on speakerphone and my goddaughter heard so many swear words from me after that pick. It was a terrible pick and he's definitely undersized for the position.

I pointed this out on an older thread, but our superbowl year didn't contain any 1st round picks on the offensive line. If a person is extremely talented, then pick him. Otherwise, find some gems in the lower rounds or FA and coach them up.

 

[Clintonrebel]

I didn't realize it at the time, but one of my family members had me on speakerphone and my goddaughter heard so many swear words from me after that pick. It was a terrible pick and he's definitely undersized for the position.

I pointed this out on an older thread, but our superbowl year didn't contain any 1st round picks on the offensive line. If a person is extremely talented, then pick him. Otherwise, find some gems in the lower rounds or FA and coach them up.

Good point on 2009. That OL was one of the best in the league that year. To some degree, a great QB with good receivers can make an OL look a lot better.

 

[longtime lurker]

At least we can go BPA without risk this year

I see most of the next draft being pressed into immediate service…we will stumble but they get the experience and we grow.

 

[Snakehead]

And what scheme is that? We don’t even have a coach yet. We need to find a coach and let him bring in the coaches and players he needs to rebuild the team and culture.

We've had zone concepts for awhile and switched under KK to the Shanahan/Kubiak zone blocking scheme. I don't see us switching after the strides Penning made and how friendly the scheme is to lineman.

The dude recommended was a power gap guy as are the other Texas lineman.

I would recommend that when players are brought up, at least do a little research on their strengths and scheme fit over just a name and a rank.

 

[Stalwart385]

The idea that you can keep building the trenches to win is an old school idea…. The most important positions in football are QB, WR, CB, QB killer and TE…. In that order in the modern NFL.

Everything else you fill in…

TE lol, I think you meant Tackle. Ie the guy that stops the QB killer.

 

[Infoman]

TE lol, I think you meant Tackle. Ie the guy that stops the QB killer.

Nope. I can get a tackle nearly anywhere…. Find me one of these guys…. Kelce, Kittle, LaPorta, Kincaid, Bowers, etc. I want a guy that’s too big for a DB and too fast for a LB.

 

[RJS]

We've had zone concepts for awhile and switched under KK to the Shanahan/Kubiak zone blocking scheme. I don't see us switching after the strides Penning made and how friendly the scheme is to lineman.

The dude recommended was a power gap guy as are the other Texas lineman.

I would recommend that when players are brought up, at least do a little research on their strengths and scheme fit over just a name and a rank.

I don't think that is accurate. Texas' bread and butter is outside zone runs with some gap scheme mixed in and Kelvin Banks is very good at blocking zone concepts.

How the Texas run game found its footing vs. Clemson despite key in-game injuries

Two big audibles by Quinn Ewers helped change the game as the Horns dominated in the trenches.

www.burntorangenation.com

"And although Texas likes to use outside zone as the base running play, getting into it in different ways like the audibles by Ewers, when the ground attack is clicking for the Longhorns, they’re able to execute their gap schemes as well."

The Draft Network

TDN

www.thedraftnetwork.com

"Banks' athleticism also shows as a run blocker. On zone run plays, Banks is an easy mover and can easily work to seal off the backside of runs and out-leverage defenders with quickness. Banks has consistently shown the ability with a quick first step to beat defenders to a spot and place effective blocks. Banks can also effectively climb to second-level defenders, making impactful running backs lanes to run through. Working power/gap runs, Banks can pull from the LT position and be a lead blocker on the right side of the line, making effective contact with defenders."

 

[TribuneUK]

Nope. I can get a tackle nearly anywhere as long as I ignore the fact most good ones are drafted high for a reason…. Find me one of these guys…. Kelce, Kittle, LaPorta, Kincaid, Bowers, etc. I want a guy that’s too big for a DB and too fast for a LB but also on a team that can block and takes care of the trenches. (Which leaves Bowers out)

FIFY.

 

[Snakehead]

I don't think that is accurate. Texas' bread and butter is outside zone runs with some gap scheme mixed in and Kelvin Banks is very good at blocking zone concepts.

How the Texas run game found its footing vs. Clemson despite key in-game injuries

Two big audibles by Quinn Ewers helped change the game as the Horns dominated in the trenches.

www.burntorangenation.com

"And although Texas likes to use outside zone as the base running play, getting into it in different ways like the audibles by Ewers, when the ground attack is clicking for the Longhorns, they’re able to execute their gap schemes as well."

The Draft Network

TDN

www.thedraftnetwork.com

"Banks' athleticism also shows as a run blocker. On zone run plays, Banks is an easy mover and can easily work to seal off the backside of runs and out-leverage defenders with quickness. Banks has consistently shown the ability with a quick first step to beat defenders to a spot and place effective blocks. Banks can also effectively climb to second-level defenders, making impactful running backs lanes to run through. Working power/gap runs, Banks can pull from the LT position and be a lead blocker on the right side of the line, making effective contact with defenders."

Yeah, looks like where I was reading about him, I didn't go to the second paragraph. That's on me being in too much of a rush.

Kelvin Banks Jr. Offensive Tackle Texas | NFL Draft Profile & Scouting Report

Rating: 91.2 Rank: #1 Forty: 5.30 Banks projects as a potential day-one starter at tackle in the NFL, with the versatility to play on either side of the line. His combination of size, power...

www.nfldraftbuzz.com

Banks projects as a potential day-one starter at tackle in the NFL, with the versatility to play on either side of the line. His combination of size, power, and athleticism will be coveted by teams employing gap/power run schemes. While he has shown the ability to excel in pass protection, there's room for technical refinement to handle elite NFL edge rushers.

In zone-blocking systems, Banks' lateral quickness and ability to climb to the second level will be valuable assets. However, teams may need to work on his consistency in reaching and sealing defenders on outside zone runs. His anchor strength and power make him an intriguing prospect for teams that emphasize a physical, downhill running game.

Cameron Williams is the guy who is more of a power gap prospect.

Cameron Williams Offensive Tackle Texas | NFL Draft Profile & Scouting Report

Rating: 87.4 Rank: #5 Forty: 5.40 The offensive tackle market demands immediate contributors with multi-scheme versatility, and the Texas product's blend of power and natural movement sk...

www.nfldraftbuzz.com

The offensive tackle market demands immediate contributors with multi-scheme versatility, and the Texas product's blend of power and natural movement skills translates well to the next level. The heavy hands and finishing ability will make him a force in the run game from day one, particularly in gap and power schemes where he can create vertical displacement.

Right tackle appears to be his initial home in the NFL, though guard remains a viable fallback option if edge speed becomes problematic. The technical foundation is present, particularly in his anchor ability and power base, but developing consistency in pass sets will determine his ceiling as an edge protector.

A zone-heavy offense would be taking developmental reps away from his strengths as a power player. Teams running downhill concepts with heavy play-action will maximize his skill set early while allowing technical refinement in true pass sets. The tools are present for a long-term starter on the right side with proper coaching investment.

 

[RJS]

Yeah, looks like where I was reading about him, I didn't go to the second paragraph. That's on me being in too much of a rush.

Kelvin Banks Jr. Offensive Tackle Texas | NFL Draft Profile & Scouting Report

Rating: 91.2 Rank: #1 Forty: 5.30 Banks projects as a potential day-one starter at tackle in the NFL, with the versatility to play on either side of the line. His combination of size, power...

www.nfldraftbuzz.com

Cameron Williams is the guy who is more of a power gap prospect.

Cameron Williams Offensive Tackle Texas | NFL Draft Profile & Scouting Report

Rating: 87.4 Rank: #5 Forty: 5.40 The offensive tackle market demands immediate contributors with multi-scheme versatility, and the Texas product's blend of power and natural movement sk...

www.nfldraftbuzz.com

It's funny how much these draft profiles often differ from each other. Here's TDN's scouting report for Cameron Williams:

"In the run game, Williams’ reliance on athleticism, rather than raw power, makes him an ideal candidate for a zone-blocking scheme. At the snap, Williams showcases a quick first step, allowing him to beat defenders to a spot to execute reach blocks or cut off backside defenders. He is athletic and controlled enough to climb to the second level and engage linebackers and other second-level defenders effectively."

"Overall, Williams is an athletic offensive tackle with the tools and traits to be an early plug-and-play contributor as a pass protector. He is best suited for a zone-blocking scheme where his athleticism and quickness can be maximized."

The Draft Network

TDN

www.thedraftnetwork.com

 

[Stalwart385]

Nope. I can get a tackle nearly anywhere…. Find me one of these guys…. Kelce, Kittle, LaPorta, Kincaid, Bowers, etc. I want a guy that’s too big for a DB and too fast for a LB.

TE's top-end payroll is the lowest in the NFL at 17 mil. Top-end tackles make over 10 mil more per year. Tells you all you need to know.

(I'm not including ST positions and FB)

 

[Saintcd]

TE's top-end payroll is the lowest in the NFL at 17 mil. Top-end tackles make over 10 mil more per year. Tells you all you need to know.

(I'm not including ST positions and FB)

If the saints have to rely on only drafting top tackles and guards then the problem is the saints themselves. Most other teams can make an oline work with multiple non1st pics. So either the coaches, the scheme or bad drafting. A top TE can help stopping the rush and help the online as the quick go to on a blitz.

If loomis wasn’t loomising every year, the 17vs 10 mil wouldn’t matter.


My biggest issue is we know what the saints do with picking 1st rounders in the draft, they regress each year they are here and never live up to their draft potential. Until they make some philosophical change that do a clean slate including loomis and anyone associated with the college scouting department there, until them I hope they draft playmakers every 1st round.

 

[Snakehead]

It's funny how much these draft profiles often differ from each other. Here's TDN's scouting report for Cameron Williams:

"In the run game, Williams’ reliance on athleticism, rather than raw power, makes him an ideal candidate for a zone-blocking scheme. At the snap, Williams showcases a quick first step, allowing him to beat defenders to a spot to execute reach blocks or cut off backside defenders. He is athletic and controlled enough to climb to the second level and engage linebackers and other second-level defenders effectively."

"Overall, Williams is an athletic offensive tackle with the tools and traits to be an early plug-and-play contributor as a pass protector. He is best suited for a zone-blocking scheme where his athleticism and quickness can be maximized."

The Draft Network

TDN

www.thedraftnetwork.com

Very true. I'll need to start looking at a couple different sources. I also use PFF for grades and it has their respective grades for the schemes. Both of them have good grades in zone and gap. Williams has an 84 grade in Zone while Draft Buzz which is a good site for player information, has the comment I posted above.