Draft at least two O-Linemen earlyish (1 Viewer)

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Snakehead said:
Very true. I'll need to start looking at a couple different sources. I also use PFF for grades and it has their respective grades for the schemes. Both of them have good grades in zone and gap. Williams has an 84 grade in Zone while Draft Buzz which is a good site for player information, has the comment I posted above.
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One thing I try to look for this time of year on draft profiles is trying to figure out when they were written. I've noticed that a lot of site profiles are still the ones written last summer.
 
Infoman said:
SISY.

Again. DNGAS.
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If you can't meaningfully engage with the counter argument and just repeat the same old lines, then you're not having a debate. Let alone convincing anyone you're correct.

Stop being so binary about this. There are team needs all over and drafting a Bowers hasn't made the Raiders any better. They are ranked worse in both offensive points & yards and have scored less points per game in 2024 than they did in 2023.

And sadly the Raiders are our closest comparison in that mini-list of TE man crushes of yours. Every other team in that same list is very solid in the trenches on both sides of the ball. They are taking care of business.
 
Snakehead said:
How many points did we put up week 1 and 2 when the offensive line was healthy?
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It has been healthy for weeks now off and on…. They need to play better. We don’t need more of them. We need the ones we have already invested in to play better. Like in weeks 1 and 2. I don’t deal in outliers.
 
TribuneUK said:
If you can't meaningfully engage with the counter argument and just repeat the same old lines, then you're not having a debate. Let alone convincing anyone you're correct.

Stop being so binary about this. There are team needs all over and drafting a Bowers hasn't made the Raiders any better. They are ranked worse in both offensive points & yards and have scored less points per game in 2024 than they did in 2023.

And sadly the Raiders are our closest comparison in that mini-list of TE man crushes of yours. Every other team in that same list is very solid in the trenches on both sides of the ball. They are taking care of business.
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It’s not a debate. Not sure why you think it is. I’m stating the facts.

This ain’t politics. This is football. Our offense can’t consistently score points because we are old, or outmanned, or constantly injured at every skill position.

It’s not debatable
 
Infoman said:
It has been healthy for weeks now off and on…. They need to play better. We don’t need more of them. We need the ones we have already invested in to play better. Like in weeks 1 and 2. I don’t deal in outliers.
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We actually do need more of them and better quality at 2 starting positions and better depth.

Funny you like to point that they are healthy now, yet we are on WR5 - Street FAs.

We need to upgrade the skill positions, but not at the expense of the line. If we do that, then we are the Bears. I'd rather be the Lions who built their line first.
 
Infoman said:
It’s not a debate. Not sure why you think it is. I’m stating the facts.

This ain’t politics. This is football. Our offense can’t consistently score points because we are old, or outmanned, or constantly injured at every skill position.

It’s not debatable
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Well, in your case it's not a debate because you just keep repeating declarative statements.

And you haven't actually backed up your 'draft playmakers' assertion when it's been challenged (several times).

So it is debatable, you're just not debating, whether you're unwilling or unable to is redundant.
 
Someone posted a list of positions that needed upgrading, and it consisted of every position except kicker lol.🤣. Funny but accurate. We need a lot of help in the trenches AND in the skill positions. 34-0 says it loudly and clearly.

Now, let’s go into the draft with an open and critical mindset, evaluating each position group for quality. For instance: are there a lot of good DTs? Draft one. Does the QB class suck? Don’t draft one. Don’t draft any player because of need. EVERY POSITION on the team is a need. There is no excuse for trading up for targeted players. If I see the TRADE emblem flashing at a Saints pick, my TV will be in jeopardy unless they trade down, which they never do.
 
Snakehead said:
We actually do need more of them and better quality at 2 starting positions and better depth.

Funny you like to point that they are healthy now, yet we are on WR5 - Street FAs.

We need to upgrade the skill positions, but not at the expense of the line. If we do that, then we are the Bears. I'd rather be the Lions who built their line first.
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We already need more

lol we have so many valuable picked tied up in a garbage of an offensive line. The 1st 2 games were an anomaly and if injuries wouldn’t have happened, the other teams would have had tape on file to review the new scheme. The players we drafted have to actually play to their potential or the oline coach should be sacked or the player should be benched. We cannot afford quality depth at any position or quality free agents- see cap magician loomis.

We need to upgrade the skill positions, but not at the expense of the line. If we do that, then we are the Bears. I'd rather be the Lions who built their line first

We’ve already neglected the wr and te corps for many years to go oline or dline and that hasn’t worked out well. They keep doing this and expecting different results, 😂
 
Plenty of successful teams build their teams with QB and Skill Positions then fill in everywhere else. We have refused to do either. That’s why we are where we are. We have invested in our trenches every year to no avail. It’s time to start drafting some Jamar Chases, some Justin Jefferson’s, some Josh Allen’s, some Lamar Jackson’s, some Saquan Barkleys, some Bjan Robinsons, some anything and anyone that we can build a young offensive core around.
 
Something that is missed is when you light up the scoreboard, the NFL loves that. Winning teams get away with a lot of stuff like holding by their Oline. Y’all don’t get it. Get the guys who are bonafide playmakers. They have spent their entire lives relishing in the moment to make defenses look stupid, plus they are fun to watch. Miss me with the “we need to draft Oline early” crap for the 1,000,000,000th time
 
Saintcd said:
We already need more

lol we have so many valuable picked tied up in a garbage of an offensive line. The 1st 2 games were an anomaly and if injuries wouldn’t have happened, the other teams would have had tape on file to review the new scheme. The players we drafted have to actually play to their potential or the oline coach should be sacked or the player should be benched. We cannot afford quality depth at any position or quality free agents- see cap magician loomis.

We need to upgrade the skill positions, but not at the expense of the line. If we do that, then we are the Bears. I'd rather be the Lions who built their line first

We’ve already neglected the wr and te corps for many years to go oline or dline and that hasn’t worked out well. They keep doing this and expecting different results, 😂
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What part of we need BOTH don't you understand?

The first 2 weeks weren't an anomaly, they literally forking happened.
 

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