Fire Dennis Allen!! (4 Viewers)

[St. Widge]

After thinking on this a little bit. I don't think DA should be fired yet. Not even in the off season actually. But that is contingent on Loomis getting the cap in order during the off season. And I mean really getting it in order. Doing everything we can to get the most 2026 picks we can get and eating as much dead cap as we can. A full rebuild with a lame duck coach.

In reality, no coach worth anything is going to want the job in 2025 the way it's set up now. But if we're cleaned up enough and have enough picks to allow the coach to mold the team to what they want in 2026, we might actually get a decent one.

My issue with that is that I don't want DA picking players for his schemes, especially when it looks like they will be high picks, and then brining in a new coach that will have to fit them in. Especially since I think part of the drafting problem is that DA is not a very good talent evaluator unless the player is a DB.

Ideally I would like the plan to be to let a new HC start installing his culture and schemes next year while also getting to add talent that fits his scheme. And doing it while they are resetting the cap. It's going to take a few years to rebuild the roster through the draft and I see no point in letting DA waste one of those years.

Which coach you can get will really depend on how an individual coach views the situation. Do they like Rattler? Do they think there is a QB in the draft that we can get that is perfect for their system? Do they like the idea of no pressure for a couple years while the cap is reset and the roster is rebuilt? How does that coach feel about the Saints cap strategy and does Loomis plan to continue using it going forward? Does that coach like the idea of being in a smaller NFL city without all the pressure of an overly aggressive media?

Honestly, all of the possible jobs come with issues whether it's a bad owner, bad roster, no QBs, no cap space, being unwilling to use the cap space they have etc. If any of the soon to be open jobs were perfect, the jobs wouldn't be open. So, you just have to look for the right fit and it appears to me there are at lest two high level candidates this year in Johnson and Slowik. And maybe a dark horse good candidate in Kingsbury given most of his tenure in Arizona was very good and what he is doing with Daniels. That's a better list of candidates than in most years and in the year the Saints hired DA.

And there are probably only going to be at most 5 or 6 HC jobs open in the offseason.

 

[DaveXA]

Don't act dumb.

Don't post stuff that didn't happen?

 

[Elvis]

My issue with that is that I don't want DA picking players for his schemes, especially when it looks like they will be high picks, and then brining in a new coach that will have to fit them in. Especially since I think part of the drafting problem is that DA is not a very good talent evaluator unless the player is a DB.

Ideally I would like the plan to be to let a new HC start installing his culture and schemes next year while also getting to add talent that fits his scheme. And doing it while they are resetting the cap. It's going to take a few years to rebuild the roster through the draft and I see no point in letting DA waste one of those years.

Which coach you can get will really depend on how an individual coach views the situation. Do they like Rattler? Do they think there is a QB in the draft that we can get that is perfect for their system? Do they like the idea of no pressure for a couple years while the cap is reset and the roster is rebuilt? How does that coach feel about the Saints cap strategy and does Loomis plan to continue using it going forward? Does that coach like the idea of being in a smaller NFL city without all the pressure of an overly aggressive media?

Honestly, all of the possible jobs come with issues whether it's a bad owner, bad roster, no QBs, no cap space, being unwilling to use the cap space they have etc. If any of the soon to be open jobs were perfect, the jobs wouldn't be open. So, you just have to look for the right fit and it appears to me there are at lest two high level candidates this year in Johnson and Slowik. And maybe a dark horse good candidate in Kingsbury given most of his tenure in Arizona was very good and what he is doing with Daniels. That's a better list of candidates than in most years and in the year the Saints hired DA.

And there are probably only going to be at most 5 or 6 HC jobs open in the offseason.

I can't argue with any of that. I just think the Saints are one of the least attractive places for a new HC to land right now and we'd get a 2nd tier guy to take the job. Ben Johnson isn't walking into the mess when teams like the Jets and Jags have so much more to build with in terms of picks and cap room.

 

[Booker]

If the Saints stick with DA it’ll just extend the mediocrity and further delay the rebuild that is needed. Been saying that since 2022, and the mediocrity continues.

 

[Chinese bandits]

So saints rolling out 4 game 1 starters on offense. So basically playing their preseason lineup. back up qb with back up oline throwing to back up receivers. How do teams do in this same scenario? They lose, why, there is a reason they are back-up, not good enough to start. so lets fire everybody.

 

[Saint Jack]

Just from what I’ve hearing from work to sports bars to sports bars, the fanbase hates Dennis Allen.
He has to go after the year. At the latest.

 

[Saint Jack]

I can't argue with any of that. I just think the Saints are one of the least attractive places for a new HC to land right now and we'd get a 2nd tier guy to take the job. Ben Johnson isn't walking into the mess when teams like the Jets and Jags have so much more to build with in terms of picks and cap room.

What I think that makes the Saints attractive is the potential of Rattler.
And that no one in the NFCS has a long term franchise QB (yet).
If you’re going to the Jets or Jaguars; you’re playing catch-up in those divisions to Josh Allen and C.J. Stroud.

 

[Saintcd]

If you really feel this way then why even bother?

Doesn’t mean I don’t like the team or root for them, just not invested in them like before. Does it always have to be all or nothing. Can still be a fan and hope they do well, just with tempered expectations and the reality that they are not a well coached team. The majority saw the sham interviews on this board for what it was , a nepo hire for continuity and it didn’t work like loomis wanted it to.

 

[St. Widge]

I can't argue with any of that. I just think the Saints are one of the least attractive places for a new HC to land right now and we'd get a 2nd tier guy to take the job. Ben Johnson isn't walking into the mess when teams like the Jets and Jags have so much more to build with in terms of picks and cap room.

The only way either job is clearly better is purely based on salary cap which can be reset in a year or two and your point of view on our cap management might not be viewed the same by some coaches.

But the Jets are also run by 40 year-old coach killer Aaron Rodgers, an owner who thinks it's a bad idea to think too much, and a pack of hyenas in the media. And you are pretty much so stuck with Trevor Lawrence in Jax and an owner who doesn't really seem to want to go all out. That could be viewed as a good or bad thing.

Maybe Jacksonsville is more attractive if you really like Lawrence, but I think all these jobs are close. And both Jacksonville and the Jets will come with significantly higher expectations for immediate results than our job does.

And, in the end, even a second tier choice might work out. It did with Payton. And, if they keep DA it will be a sign that they still think they can win next year and they will likely only get into worse cap issues. So, if it's going to be a second tier choice either way, might as well start now in a year with at least two high level guys which is more than most years. Plus, you never know, maybe Dan Campbell and Aaron Glenn will talk up New Orleans to Ben Johnson.

 

[St. Widge]

Doesn’t mean I don’t like the team or root for them, just not invested in them like before. Does it always have to be all or nothing. Can still be a fan and hope they do well, just with tempered expectations and the reality that they are not a well coached team. The majority saw the sham interviews on this board for what it was , a nepo hire for continuity and it didn’t work like loomis wanted it to.

I didn't say it did mean your weren't a fan. But if you really think there is no hope and things won't get better, then you are just setting yourself up for a life of misery. If I thought that was going to be the case, I'd just stop following the NFL at all.

 

[No2DC]

What I think that makes the Saints attractive is the potential of Rattler.
And that no one in the NFCS has a long term franchise QB (yet).
If you’re going to the Jets or Jaguars; you’re playing catch-up in those divisions to Josh Allen and C.J. Stroud.

Penix and Baker?
Ratt is still somewhat raw but you see the potential. It's not like the Chargers with Herbert last year.

 

[kcirdor]

Don't post stuff that didn't happen?

So you are saying we werent the only team listed as pursuing watson, then in the last week Atlanta joined in(to run up the price), then at the last second the Browns dropped and elbow off the top rope to steal the deal. Oooooook.

 

[DaveXA]

So you are saying we werent the only team listed as pursuing watson, then in the last week Atlanta joined in(to run up the price), then at the last second the Browns dropped and elbow off the top rope to steal the deal. Oooooook.

As opposed to saying they chose Watson when they didn't actually acquire him. It's not any different than saying they chose Adams when they didn't actually acquire him. There's plenty you can criticize the FO and coaches for, but criticizing them for something that didn't actually happen is a bit much.

 

[kcirdor]

As opposed to saying they chose Watson when they didn't actually acquire him. It's not any different than saying they chose Adams when they didn't actually acquire him. There's plenty you can criticize the FO and coaches for, but criticizing them for something that didn't actually happen is a bit much.

But it isn't. Had the Browns not saved us, the decision was made. We were going to michael scott into the lake. We can certainly criticize a decision regardless of the outcome. Or did you not listen to Loomis and "look beyond the results"