Fix Netflix (4 Viewers)

you're doing some work on this
there are 5 profiles on the user acct right? one of your kids is at college and uses one of the profiles - you're saying that's fraud?
and maybe if the kid would not have a separate acct if it was disallowed so there is no value lost since netflix is not getting that money regardless

I honestly haven't read the Netflix ToS so I'm not certain if that counts as fraud or not. But, I suspect that there is some sort of provision that allows for persons in the same household to use it when they are temporarily away from the home. I would think that would include college students away at college since they are usually not considered residents of other states when they go out of state, at least not for in state tuition purposes, so I think arguably that is temporarily away from the home site of the subscription and is not fraud.

However, if the kid is 25 and moved to say Chicago for their first job out of college, then yes, it is fraud. They are clearly no longer members of the household to which the account is linked. But, again, this really depends on what the ToS actually says and I'm frankly not going to go read it to find out because you are just looking for situations where people would feel morally outraged and clutch their pearls if Netflix actually did something about it. But, we both know that is not the issue and Netflix isn't really going to do anything about it anyway.

The issue is with people giving their usernames and passwords to friends, people they are dating, family members that don't live with them, co-workers, etc. And in those situations, yes, I think it's fraud and I think we all know it is wrong despite all the things we do to try to explain why it's okay to do it. We think it's okay to do because Netflix makes a bunch of money, there is no real victim, corporations or evil, their content isn't worth what I pay for it anyway, I bought it so I can do what I want with it, I'm not actually taking anything, etc., etc.

And that's why Netflix is trying out letting people pay a small fee (apparently around $3 per month) to share usernames and passwords with whoever they want. They won't really enforce it, but it's likely that enough people will have have a bit of guilt about it that they will decide to pay it in situations where they know its fraud. They aren't going to pay it for their kid away at college (or really their kid at all) but they may voluntarily pay it when they give their username and password to their lazy, deadbeat sister who has no job because she wanted a career in modern dance.

In the end, I really don't care if people want to steal Netflix's service by "sharing" their username and passwords, but please stop lying to yourselves about it and pretending it's not really stealing or that it's not really morally wrong.
 
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but it's not like eating a grape at a store or stealing lunch - it's like me buying grapes and walking out of the store and giving half the grapes to whomever i want to when i leave the store

Lol. You know it isn't the same. This is what I was talking about with people playing all kinds of word games to justify it as not stealing.

You didn't buy the right to show Netflix's content to everyone. You bought the right to show it to certain people under certain circumstances. You bought rights of use, not a physical thing like a grape and those rights are restricted by the ToS. The grocery sold you the grapes with no restrictions at all. You got full ownership and the right to give it away, destroy it, eat it, etc. You know you didn't pay for those same rights with Netflix.

I mean, back when Word and Windows came on discs people shared that software all the time by giving people the disk and their keys. We all knew it was really stealing but we justified it by saying that it's our software so we can do whatever we want with it and install it on any machine we want.
 
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There are Facebook, and other social media groups, that are strictly for people sharing Netflix passwords. And a lot of them "rent" them, not just share them. People take too much advantage of a good thing, and everyone else suffers as a result..
 
This is is the second tech (ish) company I've read about implementing this type of policy (the other being Coinbase)


I don't know if it will Fix Netflix, but its an interesting move - I think a lot of media companies are feeling unsure how to proceed when every company in America is expected to take a stance on Roe v Wade or BLM or whatever and are at risk of being attacked by their own employees. Eventually, you have a business to run, and if the employee wants to pursue politics or their own cultural passions, great - just do it somewhere else on your own time. Will certainly cause some short term disruption but likely the right move for the long term.
 
Rachel Wenitsky is an obsessive rule follower, something she says she has been famous for her entire life. But there is one rule that she — along with at least 100 million other people — is perfectly comfortable ignoring: She shares passwords for streaming services with family members outside her home.


After years of tacitly allowing password sharing, Netflix is cracking down on splitting a log-in with anyone who doesn’t live full time at the same address.

For people like Wenitsky, a TV writer in Los Angeles, it’s a step too far.
“If the price to pay for having every streaming service is Netflix sending the full force of their security to my house to keep me from sharing my password with my mom, so be it,” Wenitsky says…..


 
I had my Netflix account hijacked by a guy in Ecuador who changed the language to Spanish and spent the weekend watching a disturbing mix of non-stop Erotica on Saturday and Peppa Pig on Sunday (Guess his wife was home Sundays).
I had such a laugh following his viewing history that i was almost tempted to create a username for him and leave him to keep watching :)
 
I had my Netflix account hijacked by a guy in Ecuador who changed the language to Spanish and spent the weekend watching a disturbing mix of non-stop Erotica on Saturday and Peppa Pig on Sunday (Guess his wife was home Sundays).
I had such a laugh following his viewing history that i was almost tempted to create a username for him and leave him to keep watching :)
I had someone in S. America steal my info and they watched a bunch of war movies.

Larry and the War
The War and Pablo
War is Here
War, War, War


I think about them every time I log on.
 

more about the ad-supported tier


- Four minutes of commercials per hour for the ad-supported service
- will show advertisements before and during some programs, but not after
 
Streaming giant Netflix will begin its crackdown on password sharing in the first quarter of this year, after the release of its company earnings report to shareholders last week.

The practice of sharing passwords with people outside the subscriber’s household will become more complex and is likely to involve an additional fee to share a single subscription across multiple locations.

“While our terms of use limit use of Netflix to a household, we recognise this is a change for members who share their account more broadly,” Netflix said in its report to shareholders……

 

also they are killing their cheapest ad-free tier b/c apparently their plan with ads make them more $$ than the cheapest ad-free plan

an April letter to shareholders claimed that engagement on Netflix's ad tier surpassed initial expectations. Netflix's letter also said that in the US, the ad plan had greater total average revenue per member, which includes revenue from subscription fees and ads, than the $15.49/month Standard plan.
 

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