Ginsberg with Tim Ryan and Pat Kirwan (1 Viewer)

[saints4eva]

Here ya go:

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Thanks, jimrip.

Great interview! Much respect for Tim Ryan and Pat Kirwan for taking this subject head on and for Ginsburg speaking out loud and clear for all the world to hear.

No more convenient lies, Goodell. You are guilty of the very thing you accused the Saints of doing: covering up.

 

[Bayou]

I wish Saints could get back their 2nd round pick from 2012 for 2013 if Goodell admits he made a mistake

If he admits it wouldn't be a mistake. It would be a damning LIE.

 

[Brennan77]

Pat and Tim have the best sports radio show, period. I listen to them every day.

 

[Bespoke]

I wish Saints could get back their 2nd round pick from 2012 for 2013 if Goodell admits he made a mistake

Actually no, if Goodell acted with false info I want him Overthrown as commissioner and he should be banned from ever having a job in the NFL again...

 

[mither_rome]

Actually no, if Goodell acted with false info I want him Overthrown as commissioner and he should be banned from ever having a job in the NFL again...

I want him fired for incompetence.

I have high hopes for this season, in spite of everything. We are living in the gilded age of this franchise, and for Goodell to come along and sanction this team to the degree where it compromises its ability to compete - that's atrocious. I will never get over this. ever.

He's thrown our team against the whipping post, while all the other teams are breathing a collective sigh of relief that they weren't the name picked out of a proverbial hat.

The only thing that would satisfy me is for Goodell to be fired or resign in disgrace, full reinstatement of Payton, Vitt, and Loomis, an additional 1st round pick next year, and a public apology from the goon that replaces Jolly Roger.

To other fans, these terms might sound ridiculous, but if the NFL really wanted a sacrificial lamb, they should have used GW and left it at that. He has a history of questionable rhetoric that spans multiple teams. But no. They had to scorch and salt the freakin' black and gold earth.

This entire process has passed from being misguided to being completely malicious - toward this team, its fans, and, indeed, the entire city of New Orleans.

 

[Snakehead]

Vilma is going to own Goodell.

 

[60minutes]

And if the NFL's case is total sham, then what does Goodell do about rectifying his confiscation of the Saints' second round draft pick? Suspensions can be rescinded, and fine money can be returned, but they can't have a draft "do over."

Nice work, Roger. Your ridiculously outsized penalties could be your downfall. No wonder Goodell is scared of letting this get into the courts.

To compensate us for our loss, give us two first rounders next year. Didn't the Raiders get two first rounders one year because of some issue with the league? I cannot remember the exact situation but seem to recall a team having a pick at the end of round 1. Maybe it was the Raiders, maybe it ws a different team. I may have to do some research.

 

[Rugger]

To compensate us for our loss, give us two first rounders next year. Didn't the Raiders get two first rounders one year because of some issue with the league? I cannot remember the exact situation but seem to recall a team having a pick at the end of round 1. Maybe it was the Raiders, maybe it ws a different team. I may have to do some research.

That will never happen. First it will be hard enough for the NFL to admit that they were mistaken at all. Plus the SaInts are not innocent. They admitted to havIng a pay for proformance system in place, which is illegal. No doubt the Nfl is trying to give us a death sentence for a speeding ticket, but the NFL will always maintain that we broke league rules.

 

[Frank The Rat]

I want to the fly right back in the Commissioners face. If all of this comes back on it an forces changes on how this stuff is handed down, while unfortunate for us that we were the targets it might be for the greater good. Oh, and I want our 2nd round pick we lost this year back. Top of the second round next year.

 

[75Saint]

I want to the fly right back in the Commissioners face. If all of this comes back on it an forces changes on how this stuff is handed down, while unfortunate for us that we were the targets it might be for the greater good. Oh, and I want our 2nd round pick we lost this year back. Top of the second round next year.

I like the way you think.....that way we will have back to back picks next year number 32 and 33

 

[blasian]

I want to the fly right back in the Commissioners face. If all of this comes back on it an forces changes on how this stuff is handed down, while unfortunate for us that we were the targets it might be for the greater good. Oh, and I want our 2nd round pick we lost this year back. Top of the second round next year.

I say we make the commish get a Fleur de Lis + "ownz dat" on his rear

 

[Mardiboys]

Commissioner has gone silent lately. His ego is too big to admit he screwed up. The media is to scared to say he screwed up. I'm ******. I want my coach back.

 

[efil4stnias]

That will never happen. First it will be hard enough for the NFL to admit that they were mistaken at all. Plus the SaInts are not innocent. They admitted to havIng a pay for proformance system in place, which is illegal. No doubt the Nfl is trying to give us a death sentence for a speeding ticket, but the NFL will always maintain that we broke league rules.

this is no longer about the pay-for-performance rules that were violated.

Goodell has PUBLICLY accused and sentenced 4 players, 3 coaches and a GM of orchestrating and carrying out a PAY FOR INJURY ( BOUNTY) program for 3 years. from 2009 to 2011. He IS ON RECORD stating this. There is no turning back for him. He cannot. He will now have his hand forced and have to show what he calls "solid evidence"

 

[tenordas]

I am not so patiently waiting for the explosion. That the NFL is dragging its feet on Vilma's hearing is obvious. Payton's was done within a couple of days, with the Arrogant One slamming down his fist with a hard "NO" on any reduction in the penalty.

He knows he has no leg to stand on this time, so he's putting off the hearing to stall for time in some desperate hope that someone will be able to come up with something tangible to support his misguided case.

Well, time to concede, Comissioner. You blew it, basing an entire case on hearsay, and now it's time to face the firing squad. Get on with it. The longer you put it off, the more ridiculous and petty you make yourself before eveyone.

 

[Saint_Ward]

Looking at it from a neutral perspective (as much as I can be), if all this plays out to be true, this is what looks like happened:

The NFL had enough information to make a case. You 'COULD' connect all the data to think that 'MAYBE' a bounty program was in existence. However, players and coaches have admitted to a pay for performance "system" was in place, but unknown how much of a "system" it was. So, like prosecuting attorney's, they built a story around what they had and have called it fact. Their story is very one sided, probably serving a bigger cause in their eyes (overall liability against retired players).

In the real world, we'd want both sides of the story and then see what we think maybe happened and check it vs what we could actually prove must have happened. I obviously do not believe the NFL has taken it to the second level. Once they felt that the Saints could be guilty, they just twisted all the facts to make that happen. Too bad they're all ex lawyers and not ex judges, maybe then they'd be more reasonable.