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[UFCSaint]

I will give Grupe some credit: he makes extra points interesting.

You misspelled Lutz

 

[Artifactual]

Chill out Grupe, didn’t mean to hurt your feelings.

Also, the fact that you have already missed 4 FGs in 7 games, is not a glowing review. Keep your head up tho Grupe.

Is that the best you got?
Pathetic!

You may have missed the fact that Grupe is currently tied for 2nd in the league with 16 made FGs. He's also tied for 1st in the number of attempts with 20.

Here's another little nuggie to chew on. You may not understand how percentages work but it goes like this. The more you try the more you will succeed, and, the more you try the more you will fail.

 

[SweetT]

Is that the best you got?
Pathetic!

You may have missed the fact that Grupe is currently tied for 2nd in the league with 16 made FGs. He's also tied for 1st in the number of attempts with 20.

Here's another little nuggie to chew on. You may not understand how percentages work but it goes like this. The more you try the more you will succeed, and, the more you try the more you will fail.

You sound triggered Grupe or Grupe’s Groupie. Well, isn’t Grupe 21st in FG% amongst starting Kickers? He’s been mostly automatic when the game is low in pressure situations, outside of the NE game. All I’m saying is the rookie isn’t ready for this stage yet. Hence why I said isn’t NFL ready “yet”. He’s far from our biggest problems, but this thread is about Grupe, so that’s my input.

 

[Artifactual]

A "rut" is when you were good for a long time and then bad for a short time. He has not been good yet.

Not good YET? How much better could he possibly be when after the first two games he made 5 out of 5 FG attempts, a 100% Accuracy Rate? Or after his first 5 career games he made 11 out of 12 (91.66%)?? Or when he made 2 FGs against the Patriots over 50 yards, the first time in almost 20 years a Saints kicker made two 50+ yarders in the same game, for which he was named NFC Special Teams Player Of The Week?
Not Good YET???

Now, an argument that he is in a mini Rut can be made. In the last 2 games he has only made 5 out of his 8 attempts, 62.5% made. That's not good.

 

[Artifactual]

He’s not cut out for the NFL right now. Cut him

You sound triggered Grupe or Grupe’s Groupie. Well, isn’t Grupe 21st in FG% amongst starting Kickers? He’s been mostly automatic when the game is low in pressure situations, outside of the NE game. All I'm saying is the rookie isn’t ready for this stage yet. Hence why I said isn’t NFL ready “yet”. He’s far from our biggest problems, but this thread is about Grupe, so that’s my input.

I thoroughly understand what you have said. I challenge you to actually read my full post on page 2 of this thread, the one that you followed with your 1st post, the 11 word gem ending with two words, "Cut him"." Then tell me that you're fully committed to your opinions on this young man.

I'm not necessarily a Grupe Groupie. I am a Life Long Saints Fan from their beginning. I try to be fair in my assessment of our players before sharing my opinion on any one of them. They are, after all, our Saints. We should want them all to succeed.

Many so called Saints fans are quick to hate on a team member and are very slow to give atta boys out. Saints fans aren't alone. It's easy to get on an internet forum and spout whatever nonsense one pleases, sitting behind a wall on a keyboard. Most of these type of comments would never be spoken face to face.

An NFL kicker is an elite and specialized athlete. There are only 32 kickers employed out of 8 Billion humans on earth. You can't compare a Kicker to any other specialty athlete in sports. They are not totally on an island 🏝 by themselves (unlike a golfer, archer, marksman, ect.). They are also dependent on teammates for the outcome of their success, yet their record is judged solely on kicks made and kicks missed, all while doing so in front of 70,000 or so screaming people, and knowing a few million people are watching in real time.

By contrast the average NFL team has between 8 and 10 offensive lineman on their active rosters. That's approximately 300 offensive lineman employed all times, 10 times the number of kickers, and on average they make 10 times more money , yet none of them would get fired for missing less than 20% of their blocks during a season. None of them are expected to win a game on a single play.

There's no such thing as a "low pressure situation " for an NFL Kicker. All Kicks Count, whether it's a game on the line kick, or a kick in a blowout game. He's being judged on his entire body of work. They eat pressure for breakfast, lunch, and dinner, 24/7, 365, the likes of which most people never face in their entire life.

 

[Artifactual]

80% is near the bottom of the league this year.

Justin Tucker, arguably one of the best kickers in NFL history, with a career average of 90.3% over his 12 years in the league, is having his 2nd worst year with an average of 84.6% this year, trailing his worst year in 2015 in which he averaged 82.5%.

Graham Gano, now in his 14th season currently has a 76.9% success rate for the year. In his 1st full season he made 68.6% of his FG attempts and only 75.6% in his 2nd full year. He has a career average of 84.3%.

Grupe is currently tied for 1st in attempts so far this year with 20. A good amount of the kickers in the league have attempted 12 or less kicks. As their attempts increase their percentage of makes will decrease.

 

[la. champ1]

Bring someone else in. Can’t keep missing field goals. We need every point the way this offense is playing. If he can’t be automatic under 50 yards then he’s not for us.

 

[StudioSaint]

Bring someone else in. Can’t keep missing field goals. We need every point the way this offense is playing. If he can’t be automatic under 50 yards then he’s not for us.

List the kickers in the entire history of the NFL who never missed a kick under 50 yards, who kicked for at least one full season in the NFL.


Never mind. I'll go ahead and list them for you here:



/list

 

[SweetT]

I thoroughly understand what you have said. I challenge you to actually read my full post on page 2 of this thread, the one that you followed with your 1st post, the 11 word gem ending with two words, "Cut him"." Then tell me that you're fully committed to your opinions on this young man.

I'm not necessarily a Grupe Groupie. I am a Life Long Saints Fan from their beginning. I try to be fair in my assessment of our players before sharing my opinion on any one of them. They are, after all, our Saints. We should want them all to succeed.

Many so called Saints fans are quick to hate on a team member and are very slow to give atta boys out. Saints fans aren't alone. It's easy to get on an internet forum and spout whatever nonsense one pleases, sitting behind a wall on a keyboard. Most of these type of comments would never be spoken face to face.

An NFL kicker is an elite and specialized athlete. There are only 32 kickers employed out of 8 Billion humans on earth. You can't compare a Kicker to any other specialty athlete in sports. They are not totally on an island 🏝 by themselves (unlike a golfer, archer, marksman, ect.). They are also dependent on teammates for the outcome of their success, yet their record is judged solely on kicks made and kicks missed, all while doing so in front of 70,000 or so screaming people, and knowing a few million people are watching in real time.

By contrast the average NFL team has between 8 and 10 offensive lineman on their active rosters. That's approximately 300 offensive lineman employed all times, 10 times the number of kickers, and on average they make 10 times more money , yet none of them would get fired for missing less than 20% of their blocks during a season. None of them are expected to win a game on a single play.

There's no such thing as a "low pressure situation " for an NFL Kicker. All Kicks Count, whether it's a game on the line kick, or a kick in a blowout game. He's being judged on his entire body of work. They eat pressure for breakfast, lunch, and dinner, 24/7, 365, the likes of which most people never face in their entire life.

I stand by what I said. That young man was super automatic in preseason to already missing 4 out of 7 games.
There most certainly IS a thing that is low pressure situations. A potential game winning kick, is vastly different than a kick in a blow out game.

 

[Poison]

They outsmarted themselves withn Grupe. I looked at his college career and yikes, here it is:

74.3% in college with some years in the 60-67% range, and basically a small school guy also. Lutz is 84.8% for his career.

And ever reminiscent of bad Saints teams, he leads the team in scoring by a mile with 59 of the 133 points.

Darren Rizzi, special teams coordinator, gave a really intriguing interview preseason about their choice of Grupe over Lutz. It was long and detailed but the effect of it was, of all the metrics used to evaluate college kickers, FG %age is quite low in the hierarchy (because of issues with holding the kick, where the hash marks are, etc).

I was like you in terms of looking at raw data but it was a very persuasive analysis as to why that statistic of itself doesn’t carry much weight. I wish I could find the interview.

 

[Nisey55]

He's under a ton of pressure right now. Imagine watching the offensive sheet show, the coaches cleaning their nails on the sidelines and a probably less than ideal team dynamic. Knowing that you may be the only way to win a game would mess with your head.
He's a problem for sure, but just part of a much bigger problem.

 

[Saviorbrees]

Hard to blame the guy when we are asking him to make 4-5fieldgoals a game. This offense needs to get better at scoring touchdowns and not rely on a rookie kicker to play perfect.

 

[2024InjuryApocalypse]

Not quite ready to give up on him yet, he is still a rookie and can get better

And if people want to compare him to Lutz, Lutz was not a reliable kicker his rookie year and missed kicks in close games for us (look it up if you don't believe me).

 

[2024InjuryApocalypse]

He's under a ton of pressure right now. Imagine watching the offensive sheet show, the coaches cleaning their nails on the sidelines and a probably less than ideal team dynamic. Knowing that you may be the only way to win a game would mess with your head.
He's a problem for sure, but just part of a much bigger problem.

It's a big indictment of our offense that Grupe leads the NFL in field goal attempts this season.

 

[Custumz97]

I agree he needs to make the field goals. That’s the job, right? That said, I think this team has put way too much on him with their inability to convert in the red zone. Dude is about the only way we scoring points since we can’t seem to convert much of anything from about 30 yds out. So he misses a few and we ready to rake him over the coals because of it.

I’m not being an apologist for Grupe, I don’t think he’s great but I don’t think he’s as bad as we think. Problem is the Saints are just messing everything up on O and so everything is crazy emotional with our takes. There are only 2 kickers with as many or more FGs made that are 100%. Grupe had one really bad miss (the 29 yarder).

It’s not just the kicker. It’s all scoring opportunity players that are having issues. If Grupe is the biggest complaint you have, then you aren’t being honest with where this team really is right now. Our whole Offense is a way worse issue than Grupe.