Head Coach if there is no GM change (4 Viewers)

[REBELMAX]

IMO if there is no move in the front office we will hire a Head Coach that had no possible other options to be a NFL Head Coach.

Think someone like Joe Brady.

People like that. I think if Aaron Glenn had options like the Jets or Saints for example he would pick the Jets. If there are no options left then he would come here.

Head Coach and General Manager is a marriage of sorts or like having a business partner. It’s hard to create alignment with your business partner if they are near the end of their career and you’re in your prime.

Our General Manager is knocking on the door of 70 years old. Real Head Coaches w real options know this is a problem and they also want real control.

This setup is how we got DA. He was never going to get another chance. DA was also willing to cede control.

We need an alpha dog Head Coach and we won’t get it under these conditions.

 

[SAINT BIGAL]

Pretty sure Loomis will still be in charge but it doesn’t mean he can’t hit on another prospect. Hope they do their due diligence.

 

[Trey W.]

While Loomis has his faults, I think he works well with his HC's. Loomis and Payton had a great relationship and Loomis was able to make money moves to get key FA's here if Payton wanted them. Loomis even worked well with Allen.

Yes we are strapped for money on the cap, but if a new HC comes in and really needs/wants a few players, I don't think Loomis would just say no unless there was no way to manipulate the salary cap to get said player or the player was just demanding too much money.

The Saints ownership under the Benson's have been pro-coach and player. There are plenty of teams like Dallas and Carolina where the Owner or GM run the team how they want and the HC has to play along. The Saints are not that way and any HC they hire will have his say on how to run the team and which players to keep, sign, or let go (again salary cap dependant).

Our main deterrents for an HC are obviously our salary cap issues, aging veterans we can't cut, and a small market.

 

[St. Geezy]

Some of the things people are coming up with to bash Loomis are becoming silly. Just thinking up weird hypotheticals out of thin air. Come on man.

 

[Hubig]

If the choice is between Glenn and Joe Brady, I'm picking Brady. Allen has blossomed big time under Brady.

 

[DCTransplant]

Brady has no other possible options of being hired as a head coach?? Clearly you're not paying attention. He will get serious consideration

 

[Da Beast]

Brady has no other possible options of being hired as a head coach?? Clearly you're not paying attention. He will get serious consideration

Harsh.

Brady will get looks. But you may be right, probably not serious ones. But you never know. I never thought morris or Canales would get looks either but they did and in fact were hired.

 

[RJ in Lafayette]

I am not thrilled with either Glenn or Brady. Again, I want someone without any connections to the organization, someone from the outside who can offer a different prospective and who is not beholden to a single person on Airline. And Brady has had his struggles as well as his successes as an NFL assistant, and I do not know whether he has the leadership skills and maturity needed to be a head coach. My top choice is Mike Vrabel. We will not land him.

 

[Nolan]

Some of the things people are coming up with to bash Loomis are becoming silly. Just thinking up weird hypotheticals out of thin air. Come on man.

There are problems at the top with Loomis, whether you want to believe it or not. Max isn't just grasping at air to come up with this; he's proven to be well-connected and when he has news it always proves to be true. Read his post history and look at what we've seen from Loomis in terms of actions (or lack there of), mannerisms, and behavior and tell me it doesn't line up with a control-hungry and credit-seeking GM who only wants a "yes man" for a head coach.

 

[SailorJerrysHorse]

While Loomis has his faults, I think he works well with his HC's. Loomis and Payton had a great relationship and Loomis was able to make money moves to get key FA's here if Payton wanted them. Loomis even worked well with Allen.

Yes we are strapped for money on the cap, but if a new HC comes in and really needs/wants a few players, I don't think Loomis would just say no unless there was no way to manipulate the salary cap to get said player or the player was just demanding too much money.

The Saints ownership under the Benson's have been pro-coach and player. There are plenty of teams like Dallas and Carolina where the Owner or GM run the team how they want and the HC has to play along. The Saints are not that way and any HC they hire will have his say on how to run the team and which players to keep, sign, or let go (again salary cap dependant).

Our main deterrents for an HC are obviously our salary cap issues, aging veterans we can't cut, and a small market.

I think this is accurate, but I do wonder if any decent HC prospect would look at that and still wonder why Loomis has not helped his head coaches build a better foundation these last many years. Coaches want job security and that comes with leading a winning franchise with proper team management. Depth issues, salary cap issues, personnel issues, everything that has lead to the Saints landing in this position after having one of the best records in football for over a decade has to be cause for concern even if you know you’ll get to bring in the people you really want.

I think a discerning coach would want a GM who they trust to use their expertise to guide the organization in the right way while ALSO giving them the leeway to build their way. It’s a fine balance.

And yes I do realize Loomis brought in Brees/Payton who are responsible for those glory years. But it cannot be discounted that everything he did after bringing them in only lead to 1 Super Bowl and directly lead to where we find ourselves now.

 

[VinSaint]

People saying they want an “alpha dog “ style of HC and then mentioning Joe Brady haven’t done their homework. I really like Brady but his personality is the polar opposite of “alpha dog”.

I don’t know that much about Glenn’s personality but based on what I’ve seen during Lions coverage, he also seems pretty cerebral as well.

Sean Payton was/is an alpha dog type of coach. If that’s what folks want, then someone like Vrabel should be near the top of your list.p, assuming he’s interested.

 

[Nolan]

People saying they want an “alpha dog “ style of HC and then mentioning Joe Brady haven’t done their homework. I really like Brady but his personality is the polar opposite of “alpha dog”.

I don’t know that much about Glenn’s personality but based on what I’ve seen during Lions coverage, he also seems pretty cerebral as well.

Sean Payton was/is an alpha dog type of coach. If that’s what folks want, then someone like Vrabel should be near the top of your list.p, assuming he’s interested.

If you read his post, that's what he's saying. He's saying we need an alpha dog style of head coach, but if Loomis is still calling shots we'll end up with someone like Brady.

 

[BBarnes]

IMO if there is no move in the front office we will hire a Head Coach that had no possible other options to be a NFL Head Coach.

Think someone like Joe Brady.

People like that. I think if Aaron Glenn had options like the Jets or Saints for example he would pick the Jets. If there are no options left then he would come here.

Head Coach and General Manager is a marriage of sorts or like having a business partner. It’s hard to create alignment with your business partner if they are near the end of their career and you’re in your prime.

Our General Manager is knocking on the door of 70 years old. Real Head Coaches w real options know this is a problem and they also want real control.

This setup is how we got DA. He was never going to get another chance. DA was also willing to cede control.

We need an alpha dog Head Coach and we won’t get it under these conditions.

Kinda like when we hired Sean and he had no other options since GB went with Mike? SMH

Id like us to have someone else at GM moving forward, but let’s not act like we didn’t get our greatest coach in franchise history the way in which you’re referring to.

 

[St. Geezy]

There are problems at the top with Loomis, whether you want to believe it or not. Max isn't just grasping at air to come up with this; he's proven to be well-connected and when he has news it always proves to be true. Read his post history and look at what we've seen from Loomis in terms of actions (or lack there of), mannerisms, and behavior and tell me it doesn't line up with a control-hungry and credit-seeking GM who only wants a "yes man" for a head coach.

With all due respect to Max, I would say I am connected and try to drop nuggets when I can as well…Joe Brady will not be the Saints’ head coach barring a WILD turn of events and changing of opinions having unfolded behind the scenes. I’d be surprised if he’s anyone’s HC anytime soon TBH.

Max has prefaced his post with “IMO,” by the way. Doesn’t sound like any sort of insight, or at least that’s the impression I got.

 

[44slayer]

I 100% agree that Loomis is a relic of a bygone era. And 100% agree with everything else but Brady. The logic about an old man who has created a dumpster fire making the job less attractive is legit. But we are all assuming Loomis has a supreme court justice type of lifetime appointment, so we have to work with the Loomis handcuffs on. Being handcuffed by the old man, Brady isn’t a bad hire considering the restraints.

Honestly you could’ve posted this in 05 and just replaced Brady with Payton. Read the thread and.replace Brady with Payton and tell me it’s not pretty dang accurate.

I’m not sure why Brady is the example though. He is a guy who has won a national championship with his offense, has been top 10 the last 2 years in total points, rushing offense, passing offense, passing TDs, rushing TDs, etc.

In another thread someone said Brady might not be HC material because he doesn’t like talking to fans in restaurants. Its bizarre where people go with Brady.

If we end up with Brady, we should at the very least be ok with it. It’s at least throwing some hope out there. Brady would be a Sean Payton type hire. Payton was demoted under (edit Fassel), wasn’t seen as an “alpha” at the time and wasn’t the sexy hire people wanted. But he brought at least hope in the unknown. Hell I’d say Brady is far more accomplished than Payton was in 06.

We could do much , much worse. Like Rizzi. Rizzi is Dennis2. And a 3 year setback.