Head Coach if there is no GM change (10 Viewers)

[Nolan]

With all due respect to Max, I would say I am connected and try to drop nuggets when I can as well…Joe Brady will not be the Saints’ head coach barring a WILD turn of events and changing of opinions having unfolded behind the scenes. I’d be surprised if he’s anyone’s HC anytime soon TBH.

Max has prefaced his post with “IMO,” by the way. Doesn’t sound like any sort of insight, or at least that’s the impression I got.

I wasn't addressing anything about Joe Brady with your post, I think it's clear he was just using Brady as an example for the type of candidate. You suggested he was coming up with weird hypotheticals out of thin air in order to bash Loomis, and I'm saying that he isn't getting anything out of thin air and that his historical posts about Loomis have been confirmed by what we've seen since 2022.

 

[St. Geezy]

I wasn't addressing anything about Joe Brady with your post. You suggested he was coming up with weird hypotheticals out of thin air in order to bash Loomis, and I'm saying that he isn't getting anything out of thin air and that his historical posts about Loomis have been confirmed by what we've seen since 2022.

He literally says “IMO.” Why would someone not think he was speaking in a conjecture sense???

 

[Nolan]

He literally says “IMO.” Why would someone not think he was speaking in a conjecture sense???

So you think he's just grasping at thin air to bash Loomis, then, and not giving his opinion based on his actual knowledge of our situation? No offense to you and your connections; if you've dropped nuggets here and there I may have missed them. But the level of bombs he's dropped on this forum are pretty unparalleled. My point being is that when he posts, what he's saying has merit. I think it's pretty ridiculous to think he's just grasping at air in order to bash our GM.

 

[St. Geezy]

So you think he's just grasping at thin air to bash Loomis, then, and not giving his opinion based on his actual knowledge of our situation? No offense to you and your connections; if you've dropped nuggets here and there I may have missed them. But the level of bombs he's dropped on this forum are pretty unparalleled. My point being is that when he posts, what he's saying has merit. I think it's pretty ridiculous to think he's just grasping at air in order to bash our GM.

I am just reading the context of his post as written, sorry to offend.

 

[Hubig]

Some of the things people are coming up with to bash Loomis are becoming silly. Just thinking up weird hypotheticals out of thin air. Come on man.

IMO its warranted, he gave a ridiculous end of season press conference last year that was bashed nationally and locally. People who cover the team even thought his comments were absolutely ridiculous comparing DA to those head coaches. His repeated commentary on WWL on the coaches show have been absolutely ridiculous, reeks of tone-deaf and comes off as a guy who knows he is way too comfortable. Even after Gayle(According to what was reported) being the one to pull the plug on DA, he is STILL defending him to the hilt.

Between that, bad drafts and ridiculous comments, every single point of criticism is warranted and no fan should feel confident with him still at the helm of this thing. We'll see though, my expectations are very low.

 

[Hedon James]

I 100% agree that Loomis is a relic of a bygone era. And 100% agree with everything else but Brady. The logic about an old man who has created a dumpster fire making the job less attractive is legit. But we are all assuming Loomis has a supreme court justice type of lifetime appointment, so we have to work with the Loomis handcuffs on. Being handcuffed by the old man, Brady isn’t a bad hire considering the restraints.

Honestly you could’ve posted this in 05 and just replaced Brady with Payton. Read the thread and.replace Brady with Payton and tell me it’s not pretty dang accurate.

I’m not sure why Brady is the example though. He is a guy who has won a national championship with his offense, has been top 10 the last 2 years in total points, rushing offense, passing offense, passing TDs, rushing TDs, etc.

In another thread someone said Brady might not be HC material because he doesn’t like talking to fans in restaurants. Its bizarre where people go with Brady.

If we end up with Brady, we should at the very least be ok with it. It’s at least throwing some hope out there. Brady would be a Sean Payton type hire. Payton was demoted under Parcells, wasn’t seen as an “alpha” at the time and wasn’t the sexy hire people wanted. But he brought at least hope in the unknown. Hell I’d say Brady is far more accomplished than Payton was in 06.

We could do much , much worse. Like Rizzi. Rizzi is Dennis2. And a 3 year setback.

While CSP had a track record for resurrecting QB careers and finding UDFA gems and polishing them into starters, people forget that he had his playcalling duties revoked; but I thought that was under Jim Fassel and the Giants? Is that the demotion you refer to, or was it something else under Parcells? I honestly can't remember. But I do remember Parcells noted that CSP tended to "get the virus", referring to pass-happy tendencies and getting away from the run game.

I think the bigger takeway is that neither CSP nor Brady had "pristine" resumes. Both have/had impressive track records with much offensive success and MORE IMPORTANTLY, have stubbed their toes with setbacks, and grew from the failures to achieve again. I think THAT is an important distinction. I'm not interested in a guy who has never taken a hard punch. You don't know if he's got a glass jaw, or if he stays on the canvas. I want a guy who has been gut-punched HARD, and dropped to the canvas; only to rise again, take his count and shake it off, then throw his own retaliatory haymaker punch. I'd MUCH prefer the 2nd guy, with his blemishes, over the 1st guy with the perfect profile "on paper". JMO...

 

[Saint Taysom]

I’ll never get past that bizarre press conference and the start of last offseason where Loomis was smacking his bubble gum and treating the fan base and reporters like garbage… Answering questions with smug disrespect, and comparing Dennis Allen to the likes of Chuck Knoll and Bill Walsh (among some other greats).

That presser made it clear to me that Loomis doesn’t really care anymore and he doesn’t know football

 

[Andrus]

IMO if there is no move in the front office we will hire a Head Coach that had no possible other options to be a NFL Head Coach.

Think someone like Joe Brady.

People like that. I think if Aaron Glenn had options like the Jets or Saints for example he would pick the Jets. If there are no options left then he would come here.

Head Coach and General Manager is a marriage of sorts or like having a business partner. It’s hard to create alignment with your business partner if they are near the end of their career and you’re in your prime.

Our General Manager is knocking on the door of 70 years old. Real Head Coaches w real options know this is a problem and they also want real control.

This setup is how we got DA. He was never going to get another chance. DA was also willing to cede control.

We need an alpha dog Head Coach and we won’t get it under these conditions.

Perhaps after having full control for three seasons Loomis has figured out that sure, with control comes credit, but also blame. At this point, unless his ego has become overinflated, he might be thinking that he was better off with a coach like Payton making the personnel decisions. At least that is my hope. Sure the team has been limited by an inordinate amount of injuries, but they have also been drafting and signing an inordinate amount of players with injury histories.

With all due respect to Max, I would say I am connected and try to drop nuggets when I can as well…Joe Brady will not be the Saints’ head coach barring a WILD turn of events and changing of opinions having unfolded behind the scenes. I’d be surprised if he’s anyone’s HC anytime soon TBH..

Read again: Max wrote.... "IMO if there is no move in the front office we will hire a Head Coach that had no possible other options to be a NFL Head Coach.

Think someone like Joe Brady."

Emphasis on "Someone LIKE Joe Brady". I'm trying to figure out what it is that you are arguing.

I think that you upset members, including me, by scoffing at, or dismissing Max's post as if he's some ignorant dumbarse, which we all know isn't the case, as he is a highly valued and respected contributor to the discussions,

If I am a potential head coach weighing my options and I look at the Saints situation regarding personnel and the cap... well... let's just say that the Saints sure wouldn't be my first option. Sad, but true.

 

[44slayer]

While CSP had a track record for resurrecting QB careers and finding UDFA gems and polishing them into starters, people forget that he had his playcalling duties revoked; but I thought that was under Jim Fassel and the Giants? Is that the demotion you refer to, or was it something else under Parcells? I honestly can't remember. But I do remember Parcells noted that CSP tended to "get the virus", referring to pass-happy tendencies and getting away from the run game.

I think the bigger takeway is that neither CSP nor Brady had "pristine" resumes. Both have/had impressive track records with much offensive success and MORE IMPORTANTLY, have stubbed their toes with setbacks, and grew from the failures to achieve again. I think THAT is an important distinction. I'm not interested in a guy who has never taken a hard punch. You don't know if he's got a glass jaw, or if he stays on the canvas. I want a guy who has been gut-punched HARD, and dropped to the canvas; only to rise again, take his count and shake it off, then throw his own retaliatory haymaker punch. I'd MUCH prefer the 2nd guy, with his blemishes, over the 1st guy with the perfect profile "on paper". JMO...

Corrected, it was Fassel

 

[St. Geezy]

Perhaps after having full control for three seasons Loomis has figured out that sure, with control comes credit, but also blame. At this point, unless his ego has become overinflated, he might be thinking that he was better off with a coach like Payton making the personnel decisions. At least that is my hope. Sure the team has been limited by an inordinate amount of injuries, but they have also been drafting and signing an inordinate amount of players with injury histories.


Read again: Max wrote.... "IMO if there is no move in the front office we will hire a Head Coach that had no possible other options to be a NFL Head Coach.

Think someone like Joe Brady."

Emphasis on "Someone LIKE Joe Brady". I'm trying to figure out what it is that you are arguing.

I think that you upset members, including me, by scoffing at, or dismissing Max's post as if he's some ignorant dumbarse, which we all know isn't the case, as he is a highly valued and respected contributor to the discussions,

If I am a potential head coach weighing my options and I look at the Saints situation regarding personnel and the cap... well... let's just say that the Saints sure wouldn't be my first option. Sad, but true.

Never called him an ignorant dumbarse. Literally read his post as conjecture. I just don’t agree with the assessment and still believe it is based on the official SR forum witch hunt of Mickey Loomis.

Didn’t mean to offend but sorry if I don’t agree with something just because “RebelMax” said it.

When a poster says something is their opinion, that’s what I take it as, not some insider knowledge.

I just don’t believe in the premise that we are going to be left with the scrap heap because of who our GM is.

 

[St. Geezy]

The levels people will go to defend Loomis is beyond silly.

What exactly is being “defended?”

Literally the only issue I have is the notion that a group of NFL coaching candidates will shun our job based on who our GM is. You don’t even have to be an insider to know that these things come down mostly to money and also merely “Who is going to offer me.”

There are only 32 of these jobs and all 32 involve life-changing money.

A poster says effectively “IMO if no move at GM is made the Saints will end up with someone no one else wanted and said person had no other options,” and everyone is supposed to just bow down to this notion and can’t say anything opposed to it without being accused of calling the guy an “ignorant dumbarse???” Anything to the contrary is “defending Mickey Loomis?”

Silliness.

 

[Boy_of_wonder75]

Some of the things people are coming up with to bash Loomis are becoming silly. Just thinking up weird hypotheticals out of thin air. Come on man.

Petulance is the order of the day.

 

[St. Geezy]

Unless this poster has access to every single hot candidates’ desires, way of thinking, how much they’re willing to budge to finally obtain their dream job they’ve worked extremely hard for, how much money means to them, etc, then this post’s premise is indeed conjecture. Forum respect and past posts don’t change that.

And let me be clear…there is nothing wrong with that! But if someone clearly labels something as an opinion, then gives an opinion I disagree strongly with, I am going to express it, regardless of who said it.

It could have been Underhill, Sean Payton, or whoever that said it…I just don’t agree with all these candidates are going to turn their noses up at a NFL HC job offer.

 

[Nolan]

Unless this poster has access to every single hot candidates’ desires, way of thinking, how much they’re willing to budge to finally obtain their dream job they’ve worked extremely hard for, how much money means to them, etc, then this post’s premise is indeed conjecture. Forum respect and past posts don’t change that.

And let me be clear…there is nothing wrong with that! But if someone clearly labels something as an opinion, then gives an opinion I disagree strongly with, I am going to express it, regardless of who said it.

It could have been Underhill, Sean Payton, or whoever that said it…I just don’t agree with all these candidates are going to turn their noses up at a NFL HC job offer.

I don't doubt that we'll be able to land a promising coach. There will be someone who wants to prove themselves regardless of our circumstance.

I think you're missing the major point, though, it's that Loomis' stubborn and controlling approach will not be attractive to coaches who want roster control. The idea that a proven insider, who has inside access to this organization, is basing his opinion of Loomis on a "SR Witch Hunt" is kinda crazy to me. But whatever you think. There was no "SR Witch Hunt" of Loomis when he started dropping information with concerns of Loomis last year, was there? Yet you think he's just randomly hopping on some forum bandwagon?

 

[St. Geezy]

I don't doubt that we'll be able to land a promising coach. There will be someone who wants to prove themselves regardless of our circumstance.

I think you're missing the major point, though, it's that Loomis' stubborn and controlling approach will not be attractive to coaches who want roster control. The idea that a proven insider, who has inside access to this organization, is basing his opinion of Loomis on a "SR Witch Hunt" is kinda crazy to me. But whatever you think. There was no "SR Witch Hunt" of Loomis when he started dropping information with concerns with Loomis last year, was there? Yet you think he's just randomly hopping on some forum bandwagon?

Just because an insider has an opinion on something doesn’t make it gospel. If he said something along the lines of “I am hearing…” I would have taken it differently and not even question it, but he clearly didn’t. These are his opinions, and he made this quite clear.

Mickey Loomis is not stubborn and controlling with his HCs. Not sure where that’s even coming from.

Sorry, but the vibe I am getting from a certain select few posters here are that “ML is the enemy and that is to be defended at all costs and anyone that says different is the actual enemy.” If I incorrectly assumed Max was in that group, so be it, but don’t tell me I have to honor an anonymous poster’s OPINION as gospel just because of who they are, especially when I myself have my own level of insight.