Head Coach if there is no GM change (13 Viewers)

[AARPSaint]

Timing. If the Saints move on from Loomis as GM, that could delay the hiring of the new head coach. That said, if the Saints are looking at coaches from playoff teams—as they should—then the delay doesn’t matter that much. But, the preparation for the draft has to be underway by now unless the front office is negligent. That presumed process involves Loomis, so what happens if he’s no longer GM but someone else is GM? It’s a tortuous situation.

One thing is definite. It will be an eventful and interesting offseason.

 

[St. Geezy]

It's curious to me that as a GM with likely recently expanded roles (immediately after CSP left) who is supposedly in charge of a team that has literally been destroyed by bad decision after bad decision and is now likely the worst team in the NFL, would be immune from criticism.....I think at this point ML deserves some witch hunting.....I'm amazed how folks are still defending him, similar to how I felt when many of the same folks defended DA the last few disastrous seaseons

My mindset is this -

1. If you have a man in a GM spot for 23 years or however long it’s been, misfires and 2 to 4 year lulls are to be expected, especially when your team was built around a HOF QB and borderline HOF HC and they suddenly depart. The league’s system is literally designed for that sort of parity/law of averages thing to occur.

2. Due to off the field related things, I don’t think he’s being moved from unless he does it voluntarily, so it’s not worth setting myself up for disappointment when it doesn’t happen.

3. Too many injuries have occurred for me to blame this all on the GM or to think this man that has overseen our winningest period in franchise history has suddenly forgotten how to do the job.

I know many disagree though, and that’s fine.

 

[Hedon James]

My mindset is this -

1. If you have a man in a GM spot for 23 years or however long it’s been, misfires and 2 to 4 year lulls are to be expected, especially when your team was built around a HOF QB and borderline HOF HC and they suddenly depart. The league’s system is literally designed for that sort of parity/law of averages thing to occur.

2. Due to off the field related things, I don’t think he’s being moved from unless he does it voluntarily, so it’s not worth setting myself up for disappointment when it doesn’t happen.

3. Too many injuries have occurred for me to blame this all on the GM or to think this man that has overseen our winningest period in franchise history has suddenly forgotten how to do the job.

I know many disagree though, and that’s fine.

Fair enough...all good points. But my perspective is different obviously.

1. True, but it's not like the GM couldn't see this coming. We all saw DB9 deteriorating from his superhuman abilities, and compensating with experience; and CSP game planning and scheming to accommodate the strengths and mitigate the weaknesses. I feel like a GOOD GM woulda/coulda/shoulda saw this coming and made moves to alleviate/mitigate. The moves made were reactive in nature, rather than proactive, IMO.

2. Completely agree. Don't like it, and wish it weren't so, but dealing in reality, I believe you are correct.

3. Agree with you to an extent. Can't control injuries, so I don't blame ML for that, but that is what depth is for. ML decisions and strategies have gutted this team of DEPTH , which is needed to mitigate the injury fiasco. I feel like allowing the depth to be gutted was a voluntary and unnecessary exposure to the whims of the injury bug. For sure, every team goes through injury woes, but it's an EXPECTED part of the game. Admittedly, this the worst season of injury history I can remember. But another poster on this forum (can't remember name to give credit...sorry) indicated the team with the most "lost games to injury" for starters is.....DETROIT! The 14-2 Lions with an opportunity this weekend to lock up NFCN Division Title and homefield advantage throughout playoffs. That sounds like a team with DEPTH, and solid coaching of backups and/or scheming to accommodate the backups. I want that from the Saints GM, but can't have it due to our GMs philosophies.

I don't think ML forgot how to do his job. I think he's gotten too comfortable in his role, and is probably used to doing it a certain way and has failed to adapt quickly enough to the changing circumstances (see point #1 above). I'm not sure he can fix what he broke, or it wouldn't have broken in the first place. And something is definitely broken. That is MY OPINION, and that is how I arrived at that opinion.

You may be right, and time will tell if you are, because I absolutely think you are correct about #2. You just have WAY MORE faith in ML than I do. I have lost confidence in him, through his actions over the past 4-5 offseasons. Since I think a continued tenure of ML is inevitable, I sincerely hope you are correct and I am wrong. And again, I will gladly eat my crow however you want it served to me.

 

[SweetT]

It’s been reported recently that ML plans to hire someone that he is friends with or someone he knows well. Out of the HC options that leaves Aaron Glenn, Joe Brady, and Mike McCarthy

Those are 3 decent options

 

[Hedon James]

It’s been reported recently that ML plans to hire someone that he is friends with or someone he knows well. Out of the HC options that leaves Aaron Glenn, Joe Brady, and Mike McCarthy

Those are 3 decent options

I like Aaron Glenn and think he could be a really good HC. He has helped build that Detroit team from scratch, so that's a HUGE plus, IMO. And he seems to have suffered an inordinate amount of injuries on that Detroit defense, but keeps plugging in backups and winning games. The drop-off hasn't been precipitous. That sounds like good coaching to me....coaching up your backups and scheming around what THEY bring to the table. My only mis-giving about him is that he's a defensive-minded coach. That shouldn't disqualify him, but it doesn't give him the "edge" of retaining an offensive minded coach as HC for long tenure. OTOH....who might AG want to bring with him from the Detroit staff (not named Ben Johnson)? If anyone knows who the next Ben Johnson might be, I'll bet Aaron Glenn knows! But if AG picks the right guy to be his OC, we're likely to be looking for a new OC every 2-4 seasons, as the Saints OC scores a HC gig somewhere else.

The other thing I keep in mind with Aaron Glenn is his previous ties to the Jets organization, who are also looking for a quality HC. He's just as likely to be a Jets candidate as a Saints candidate, for the same reasons. I wonder what the Saints could offer that would tip the scales in our favor, if anything? Assuming he'd even be interested?

 

[Pkessling]

Mike Vrabel and Jon Gruden are reported as being people Loomis wants to interview for HC. No, no, no. Maybe Ditka is interested. Time for Loomis to move on.

 

[SweetT]

I like Aaron Glenn and think he could be a really good HC. He has helped build that Detroit team from scratch, so that's a HUGE plus, IMO. And he seems to have suffered an inordinate amount of injuries on that Detroit defense, but keeps plugging in backups and winning games. The drop-off hasn't been precipitous. That sounds like good coaching to me....coaching up your backups and scheming around what THEY bring to the table. My only mis-giving about him is that he's a defensive-minded coach. That shouldn't disqualify him, but it doesn't give him the "edge" of retaining an offensive minded coach as HC for long tenure. OTOH....who might AG want to bring with him from the Detroit staff (not named Ben Johnson)? If anyone knows who the next Ben Johnson might be, I'll bet Aaron Glenn knows! But if AG picks the right guy to be his OC, we're likely to be looking for a new OC every 2-4 seasons, as the Saints OC scores a HC gig somewhere else.

The other thing I keep in mind with Aaron Glenn is his previous ties to the Jets organization, who are also looking for a quality HC. He's just as likely to be a Jets candidate as a Saints candidate, for the same reasons. I wonder what the Saints could offer that would tip the scales in our favor, if anything? Assuming he'd even be interested?

Our Saints can offer a QB that isn’t a nut job like A-A-Ron Rodgers

 

[SweetT]

Mike Vrabel and Jon Gruden are reported as being people Loomis wants to interview for HC. No, no, no. Maybe Ditka is interested. Time for Loomis to move on.

Jon Gruden???
Is this true? I haven’t read anything about him and I hope that doesn’t happen

 

[Pkessling]

Jon Gruden???
Is this true? I haven’t read anything about him and I hope that doesn’t happen

Article claims that Loomis offered him the OC job before hiring KK. He rejected it and thaty Loomis is interested in talking about the HC job. We need new blood not some old school former HCs.

 

[Plow]

It’s been reported recently that ML plans to hire someone that he is friends with or someone he knows well. Out of the HC options that leaves Aaron Glenn, Joe Brady, and Mike McCarthy

Those are 3 decent options

No thanks to McCarthy. He'll admire the problem but he won't fix it.

 

[Plow]

It’s been reported recently that ML plans to hire someone that he is friends with or someone he knows well. Out of the HC options that leaves Aaron Glenn, Joe Brady, and Mike McCarthy

Those are 3 decent options

No thanks to McCarthy. He'll admire the problem but he won't fix it.

 

[Hubig]

Gruden gets hired, some fan releases 500 mylar balloons in the city.

 

[St. Widge]

Article claims that Loomis offered him the OC job before hiring KK. He rejected it and thaty Loomis is interested in talking about the HC job. We need new blood not some old school former HCs.

What article?

 

[St. Geezy]

Jon Gruden???
Is this true? I haven’t read anything about him and I hope that doesn’t happen

Yep. There is some buzz there.

I don’t necessarily agree with it, but I’m sure there is an appeal there with he and Sean kind of being cut from the same cloth…reputable offensive coach, bully/alpha type personality but players still like him, etc.

 

[RJ in Lafayette]

Andrus's post prompted me to take a closer look at this thread to see what I was missing out on.

Though I am not privy to private messages that might be sent, I have not seen any bias by the moderators against or in favor of Loomis or current management. Some hypotheticals posed are not helpful--if Bill Belichick were 60 years old, should we hire him. A belief that without major front-office changes, the Saints will have greater difficulty signing the coach they want does not strike me as fanciful but as a legitimate topic for discussion.

I have no formal role with governing discourse on these forums, but all posters can play a role in maintaining the high level of discussion we see on SSF. As members of the forum, we can defuse discussions that seem to be spinning out of control by what we say and especially by how we say it. Here are three suggestions for posting, which I at least try to follow:

First, if you would not say what you are typing to someone's face, say, if you were having a beer in the Superdome with him, you probably need to revisit what you are writing before you hit Send.

Second, try to address the substance of what you disagree with, rather than the poster whose opinion you disagree with.

Third, sometimes a response to a prior post is warranted. But sometimes it is not. If you have articulated fully your opinion on the topic, there is really no need to have the last word. If I have posted a certain number of times on a thread, I find additional posts look defensive and can be counterproductive. You can find threads where I posted several times, but at some point, I hopefully conclude I have said fully what I want to say and move on.

Again, I am not a moderator, and no one named me SSF's style czar, but I believe some of my suggestions have some merit.