I can smell what’s coming after the HC hire (13 Viewers)

[BayouSAINTJoe]

He feels like being nonstop pissy and negative about the team, and has since the day I joined this site, and now he’s at the point of bragging about the bottom falling out on the team. “Look y’all, the bottom fell out on the Saints! I was right, our favorite team sucks! Aren’t I the goodest boy?”

Maybe there is a reason to be negative and pissy...its the only way things change, maybe if more people would've said something after year 1 we'd be 2 years ahead of where we are now...without a mid-QBs contract hanging around our necks like Jacob Marleys chains of damnation. Sticking your head and the sand, heading to the dome in your B&G Sunday's best, and pumping sunshine gets you more garbage...I'm not cool with it. Hell at least we're now moving in another direction...is that other direction up? who knows? it could be a different flavor of down, but at least it's something other than the guaranteed mediocrity we would've been heading for if we continued to prop up that nonsense we were putting on the field the last 3 years.

Look....I'm not enamored with the fact that we sucked...but at least I recognize that we suck and knew we were going to suck before we sucked (there's a chance that it might possibly be a gloat...jury is still out on that one). Sucky part is that the powers that be didn't recognize we sucked then went out and got a QB that we shut out while we sucked and we're standing around shocked that we're not good. <- It's freaking bonkers that they honestly thought that was going to work.

 

[rsmith2783]

1. I love Reggie Bush. Have a Bush jersey framed on my wall. Did Reggie Bush have made a bigger impact on that 2006 team than Mario Williams, D’Brickashaw Ferguson, AJ Hawk, Vernon Davis, etc? I doubt it. Best college football RB maybe ever. But the team may have thrived with any of those elite prospects at the top of that particular draft.

2. Devaughn Vele was a 7th rounder this year and was a meaningful part of the Broncos passing offense. Marques Colston’s doppelgänger. Offensive minds like CSP find those guys routinely.

3. Don’t agree with the scraps part of that defensive talent assessment, but even if I did - great offensive pacing and efficiency at the pro level typically makes a defense play about their on-paper talent.

4. Our scouting department has had a crazy high success rate on moving up in the top 3-5 rounds. Typically, when they have a vision for a guy - he hits. Saints haven’t had enough of those moments since 2017, which was an even better draft than 2006.

My main point is that a great hire here can completely reignite the team and bad hire is going to be very, very bad for the 2025 optics. And I don’t think Sean Payton is the only great candidate ever.

Bush was still a huge part of the offense. Even though he didn't "break out" in 2006, but Payton brilliantly would use him as a decoy to get others open. He still contributed to the success of that team.

Colston was a rare but huge find. In fact it caused us to move on from Donte Stallworth & eventually Joe Horn. You don't find that every year. And I do agree that it takes someone to know what they're looking for.

I say the defense was scrapped together because the previous regime couldn't find a LB to save their life. Payton comes in and have 3 totally new LBs to start the season. Scott Shanle, Scott Fujita and Mark Simoneau. I don't recall us pulling off any huge deals to get them, but the new group, along with a few other pieces got the top 10 defense.

Contrary to popular opinion, most of the drafts sucked under Payton lol. 2006 & 2017 were legendary. They have had success with a few people here and there, but no where near consistent as you'd like. And yes they have traded up nearly every year for someone.

We need a really good draft to get us in the right direction. Hopefully it starts this year.

 

[StudioSaint]

He's a career back up QB... like Scab Payton... Give him a chance, don't just write him off. If he is an accountability maven than he should be fine.

I checked to see if he also threw an interception against the Saints like Payton. The Dallas-Saints game in 2015 was one of the few games he didn't play in that season. So close.

 

[Bill]

57% of the fan base has already written their sky is falling rants
They’re just waiting for the announcement so they can fill in the blanks

Everyone wants to be the first to say 'I told you so'.

 

[BayouSAINTJoe]

Every wants to be the first to say 'I told you so'.

Nah...being first to say it's told you so isn't where it's at - otherwise I would've said #ITOLDYOUSO 3 months ago when we were 2-7. Where the money is - is in going back to when you were saying what ended up being true as what ultimately happened first started to happen.

 

[DSnfla]

If Loomis hires a first time head coach it will be proof that he has no real plan and is just relying on luck and keeping on chopping wood by doing the same thing to fix this franchise and we are doomed to failure. He just wants to hire a young coach because a young coach won't challenge him and his enormous ego.

If Loomis hires McCarthy it will be proof that he has no vision and won't take chances. All he will do is keep chopping wood and hiring retreads that he already knows because he doesn't want someone who will challenge him and his enormous ego.

YUP that's about how bad this fan base has fallen

 

[DSnfla]

No matter who they hire 2/3 of the fans will be mad and want loomis' head.

2/3rds ???? More like 7/8ths. And when we win the south and have a really good draft they all will be saying " I believed in you Mickey, keep on Loomising"

 

[DSnfla]

I don't know why folks crapping on the "Debbie Downers" last i checked we just wrapped our 3rd consecutive losing season, fired our HC mid-season, and lost the division to a Todd Bowles coached team featuring Baker Mayfield as the starting QB for the 4th year in a row (3 with Bowles/2 with Baker) while being organizationally passed by 2/3 other teams (Car debatable). Looks like to me....we were right a and yall just mad that we were right.

#ITOLDYOUSO

Last time I checked 9-8 is not a losing season

 

[Saint KayBee]

Maybe there is a reason to be negative and pissy...its the only way things change, maybe if more people would've said something after year 1 we'd be 2 years ahead of where we are now...without a mid-QBs contract hanging around our necks like Jacob Marleys chains of damnation. Sticking your head and the sand, heading to the dome in your B&G Sunday's best, and pumping sunshine gets you more garbage...I'm not cool with it. Hell at least we're now moving in another direction...is that other direction up? who knows? it could be a different flavor of down, but at least it's something other than the guaranteed mediocrity we would've been heading for if we continued to prop up that nonsense we were putting on the field the last 3 years.

Look....I'm not enamored with the fact that we sucked...but at least I recognize that we suck and knew we were going to suck before we sucked (there's a chance that it might possibly be a gloat...jury is still out on that one). Sucky part is that the powers that be didn't recognize we sucked then went out and got a QB that we shut out while we sucked and we're standing around shocked that we're not good. <- It's freaking bonkers that they honestly thought that was going to work.

There’s worrying about the team, which all of us are, because we’d all like to see championship-caliber play and it’s not been there since Drew Brees (again, single best player in team history, and an all-time NFL great for whom a reasonable case for #1 can and has been made) retired… then there’s going #ITOLDYOUSO because the Saints are struggling. I assure you nobody cares that you were the first, the loudest, or the most frequent to call the team we all root for a bad team. And you don’t counterbalance the volumes of negative talk in any way, shape, or form. No bright sides, no silver linings, no congratulating players for hitting personal milestones. It’s like you log in to a funeral every day.

At least you know, and didn’t dispute, my assertion that you’ve been a consistently sour poster for over a year non-stop.

 

[NatureBoy]

I think hiring a young up and comer would be a mistake at this point. No matter how teams say they are going to be patient, the business is unforgiving. The Saints lost nearly their entire starting offense and it just doesn't matter. The HC had to go and they let the OC skip off to Seattle. I'm not complaining, thats the business. We're seeing more and more of one and done coaches, whether it's HC's or coordinators.

Our next HC will struggle in 2025. How will a Moore, Kafka or Weaver respond to being 3-14? How will the fans, management and ownership respond? Leadership has sold a bill of goods over the last few seasons and many fans took the bait, thinking we were right there. The front office will continue to do so, thats just who they are. If they hire a young guy like Moore, they'd need to change and set a realistic tone for the fans. That's something they have refused to do the past 3 seasons. They need to admit that this is going to take a while. We ARE rebuilding, and we are just at the beginning of that process, and we're coming out of a deep hole. They need to pledge patience, and maintain patience. I can't see the Saints saying things like this with Mickey at the helm. Especially after letting the franchise slip in to irrelevance the past 3 seasons. He'll tell us we're the best 3-14 team ever who were a couple of breaks away from contending for a playoff spot. Fans will be boiling, the pressure will challenge a new high profile young coach to produce immediately.

Considering the DNA of the franchise, I think we have to go with an older more experienced coach, or a disposable coach.

McCarthy is the right fit on the experienced end. The Saints can't ruin him. He's seen difficult times before. He'll fight to win, thats what veteran coaches do. He knows how to win and will likely get a little more out of the team, like Sean did in his final season. If things go bad here, someone will overlook it while referencing his pre-Saints record.

The disposable guy would be Rizzi. He's not a top candiate, he has nothing to lose. He may not ever get a chance to be the top guy anywhere else. He knows his way around the franchise and has some equity with the players. Not a bad placeholder for a year. The players would likely hang tough until they drop 8 out of 10. Then they'll do like every other NFL teams seems to do, they'll pack it in while telling you they haven't. A couple of players will play hard, because thats who they are, but the rest will be thinking about fishing. Then again, you might get a little more than you expected, and not matter Rizzi's fate, he will be lauded for doing a decent job with what he had to work with. If you go with Riz, you're likely back in the HC market next year, either way.

Next season the Saints would likely be more attractive to a new young coach more to work with in terms of draft equity, cap space, etc. Granted, they'd be at the beginning of the process, but they wouldn't be inheriting as many bad contracts, old players, etc. They'd truly start with a clean slate and some resources to work with. That won't happen for whoever takes the job to coach the Saints in 2025.

 

[St. Geezy]

Maybe there is a reason to be negative and pissy...its the only way things change, maybe if more people would've said something after year 1 we'd be 2 years ahead of where we are now.

Wait, timeout…you actually think fans talking on a message board and social media are impacting the day to day decisions of the organization???

All the non-stop negativity and raging makes sense now; you actually have a fantasy that you’re serving a purpose. lol

 

[Grumpy Old Manatee]

What’s coming?

I’ll go with “Increased Ticket Prices” for $200, Alex.

 

[BayouSAINTJoe]

Wait, timeout…you actually think fans talking on a message board and social media are impacting the day to day decisions of the organization???

All the non-stop negativity and raging makes sense now; you actually have a fantasy that you’re serving a purpose. lol

Message board no....social media and overall tone - absolutely. No organization wants an apathetic fanbase and we're speeding towards apathy.

Pretty sure teams make money off fans.

 

[St. Geezy]

Message board no....social media and overall tone - absolutely. No organization wants an apathetic fanbase and we're speeding towards apathy.

Pretty sure teams make money off fans.

They make money off of doing what they believe they have to do to win and be successful, making decisions their own way, not by following chicken little fan advice.

 

[JackDiesel]

Can anyone give me some background on Kellen Moore? I mean other than give the ball to Saquan Barkley what makes him so special?????

4 top 10 offenses out of 6 years with the only time they didn't crack a top 10 offense was due to suffering injuries at QB/RB.

Eagles were a mess last year losing all but one of their games to end the season and getting booted out of the playoffs early with all kinds of drama from the players. He came in and fixed it by adjusting his offense to a running one because that's what his personnel did best.

There's a quote from one of his offensive lineman floating around that basically said not only is he playing chess but he's good at articulating his reasoning to his players.