I can smell what’s coming after the HC hire (1 Viewer)

[texasjefe]

They make money off of doing what they believe they have to do to win and be successful, making decisions their own way, not by following chicken little fan advice.

Not your intent or even a thought to insult the fan base, but you know the Saints are at the deep-root of the soul, culture, and vibe of the city. The fanbase has a huge undeniable footprint, and influence.

Exhibit A (Albert Breer, Sports illustrated): One nugget I picked up the past couple of days is that this decision was very much driven by ownership, with Gayle Benson reaching a breaking point with the team’s struggles over the past few weeks. GM Mickey Loomis, I’m told, didn’t want to pull the plug on Allen yet, but Benson and her group was hearing from the fan base in a way they hadn’t before, and their resolve was strengthened through that, to the point where perception inside the building holds that Allen might’ve been fired Monday even if he’d beaten the Carolina Panthers.

Some of you are unconditional in your love and enthusiasm for the team. Others are fed up with the crystallizing incompetence and failure and will speak with tone and unsuppressed feelings that may push the limits of others' feelings. The good news is that there wonderful prescription and non-prescription mood stabilizers, depending upon who's in the mood to take them.

I lived the early days and years of Saints football. I grew up on the Tulane campus. I just want Sundays to get back to being Saints football party days. I have no tolerance or happy place for a team that herpa derpas itself into the oblivion of suck.

 

[Mr. Sparkle]

I lived the early days and years of Saints football. I grew up on the Tulane campus. I just want Sundays to get back to being Saints football party days. I have no tolerance or happy place for a team that herpa derpas itself into the oblivion of suck.

Also my hefty season ticket invoice and $17 beers at the Dome factor in to my discontent.

 

[St. Widge]

Some of you are unconditional in your love and enthusiasm for the team.

Is that really a bad thing? Isn't that kind of the point of fandom?

It doesn't mean that people aren't frustrated or fed up with the direction the team is headed or that more changes aren't being made. But that doesn't mean you have to be miserable about it and try to make everyone else miserable about it because you are miserable.

We can't change how the team is run or what they do. All we can do is watch and choose how we react to something we can't control. If you choose to be miserable about it cool, but many feel the need to try to make sure everyone else is miserable about it too.

 

[St. Widge]

Also my hefty season ticket invoice and $17 beers at the Dome factor in to my discontent.

If you want change stop paying that hefty season ticket invoice and buying $17 beers. It might even reduce your level of discontent.

 

[kcirdor]

 

[Mr. Sparkle]

If you want change stop paying that hefty season ticket invoice and buying $17 beers. It might even reduce your level of discontent.

What used to be an automatic/no-brainer decision has turned into a yearly evaluation. I am definitely a lot closer to giving them up than I've ever been,

But I've said before, I look at the Saints sort of like my home church. Over the decades we've had some great priests and some bad ones. I just wait out the bad ones and attend less often during those periods. My thought has been that I was here before Loomis and plan on being here after. But its certainly no longer a given for me like it was.

 

[St. Widge]

What used to be an automatic/no-brainer decision has turned into a yearly evaluation. I am definitely a lot closer to giving them up than I've ever been,

But I've said before, I look at the Saints sort of like my home church. Over the decades we've had some great priests and some bad ones. I just wait out the bad ones and attend less often during those periods. My thought has been that I was here before Loomis and plan on being here after. But its certainly no longer a given for me like it was.

And that's what I was talking about when I said unconditional love is part of being a fan.

 

[StudioSaint]

Just like the message board would be boring if we were all realistic/negative it would be just as boring if we were all sunshine pumping gaslighting positive.....it's all part of the adventure that is the Saintsreport message board...

People can passionately disagree without fighting and being hostile toward each other.

Realistic and negative are not the same thing. Negative people think they are realistic and anyone who doesn't agree with them is a "sunshine pumper or gaslighter." "Sunshine pumpers or gaslighters" also think they are the ones being realistic and everyone else are just being negative "debbie downers" or "negative nancy's."

Here's the thing, those are both fringe edges at opposite ends of the spectrum. There's a whole lot in between those two extremes.

Hint: if you're name calling people who disagree with you and lumping them into a group, you are a lot closer to the extreme fringes of the spectrum than you are the middle.

I have sympathy and empathy for anyone who feels bored unless they have conflict and hostility in their life.

 

[texasjefe]

If you choose to be miserable about it cool, but many feel the need to try to make sure everyone else is miserable about it too.

I'm not miserable. I'm angry and intolerant.

Whether people are rendered miserable by my posts is a 'them problem.' Other people I might be giving a voice to with my posts, especially the lurkers. Yo, lurkers, whatup?!

 

[texasjefe]

Also my hefty season ticket invoice and $17 beers at the Dome factor in to my discontent.

Yes indeed. The season ticket holders deserve far better. Plus no matter how bad the team is, it's still likely worth it to pay the ticket fee every year, for the potential of when they're good again.

 

[DSnfla]

4 top 10 offenses out of 6 years with the only time they didn't crack a top 10 offense was due to suffering injuries at QB/RB.

Eagles were a mess last year losing all but one of their games to end the season and getting booted out of the playoffs early with all kinds of drama from the players. He came in and fixed it by adjusting his offense to a running one because that's what his personnel did best.

There's a quote from one of his offensive lineman floating around that basically said not only is he playing chess but he's good at articulating his reasoning to his players.

It's a bit of a tough call since Moore was OC under McCarthy. How much was MM's influence and how much was Moore's. The Cowboy's O was ranked high but when Moore was let go and MM took over playcalling they had the #1 ranked offense

One of the things I do like about Moore is he was not too stubborn to be pass happy and not see that Philly has a great OL and the best RB in the last 10yrs and run the ball a lot

 

[DSnfla]

All in on #1.

Can’t get there yet on #2. You cant learn from mistakes when you refuse to acknowledge a mistake has been made.

There is a line of thinking that says Loomis is and has always been just a numbers guy and leaves all the football decisions to the football guys. But then we have him out front making very football specific arguments in favor of Dennis Allen and Derek Carr and others on the roster. He’s gone way outside of the bean counter Lane so he gets to to own the football mistakes too. Personally, I am convinced that we are not going to achieve long-term success again until he has promoted himself onto the golf course.

A HC decision is much more a " Is this guy a leader " or " does he have the attention to detail needed" than how are you going handle a double A gap blitz. And the Carr decision was a DA thing , that's the guy DA wanted.
Yes ML hired DA but like SP before he went with what the HC wanted

 

[DSnfla]

People need to stop saying that MM has a higher floor and lower ceiling. It’s just ignorant. When you win a Super Bowl, the ceiling blows up. He’s got no ceiling because he’s done it. The floor (12-5) would be a great place for the Saints to reside. Because right now they are 6 feet under.

Yeah , this whole ceiling , floor thing is absurd. MM, like Payton and any other HC that has won the SB, their ceiling IS the SB because they have already done it

 

[DSnfla]

Good question. My reasoning is pretty simple. When he went to Green Bay he took over an extremely talented roster with a front office notorious for successful drafts. When he went to the Cowboys he took over a much more talented roster then what we have now. He also had two franchise QB's at both places. Yes, we all tend to think Dak is a bit overrated, but he definitely is and has been much better then Rattler and we simply dont know whats going to happen with Carr.

Even if Carr stays, We have nowhere near the talent either roster had when he started. We also don't have the cap that would allow us to aquire more talent in free agency. I was expect less success to start compared to when he started Green Bay or Dallas. Whether he can work the team up and talent and improve the roster over time is a different question.

The Packers team MM took over was not an extremely talented roster, all he had was Farve for 2 yrs and AR. His offensive weapons were not really special. Green @ RB and Driver and Jennings @ WR . It was Rodgers that made them better.

Dak is not a franchise QB no more than Carr is. You want to know what he did have in Dallas? A egotistical meddling owner in Jones that controlled the draft

 

[sfidc3]

People can passionately disagree without fighting and being hostile toward each other.

Realistic and negative are not the same thing. Negative people think they are realistic and anyone who doesn't agree with them is a "sunshine pumper or gaslighter." "Sunshine pumpers or gaslighters" also think they are the ones being realistic and everyone else are just being negative "debbie downers" or "negative nancy's."

Here's the thing, those are both fringe edges at opposite ends of the spectrum. There's a whole lot in between those two extremes.

Hint: if you're name calling people who disagree with you and lumping them into a group, you are a lot closer to the extreme fringes of the spectrum than you are the middle.

I have sympathy and empathy for anyone who feels bored unless they have conflict and hostility in their life.

I don't disagree with any of above.....but I think it is fair to say that the sunshine pumping gaslighters haven't been right about much of anything the last few years.....sorry, couldn't resist....