In defense of Allen (gulp) (1 Viewer)

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Allen is learning the hard lesson Payton had to learn... because he's the exact mirror of Payton. Payton was an offensive genius and defensive glue eater. Allen is a defensive genius and offensive glue eater.

He needs a strong, independent mind to run the offense. Carmichael is not that guy.

We KNOW Allen knows how to not only run the defense, but command their respect.

We are seeing he is not able to do the same for the offense. He could still be a good Head Coach, but like Payton, he has to find his "Gregg Williams/Dennis Allen" for the other side of the ball.
 
Epic Brownie said:
The issue is he's too scared in big moments and plays not to lose, which typically yields a loss in this league.

He's 8-30 as a head coach for a reason.
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It's a conservative approach that mostly doesn't work anymore, and definitely won't with the makeup of this team. It was fine a generation ago when field position, FGs, and defense could carry a physical team, but the rules of today heavily favor the QB and the passing game.

My mindset at the end of the game yesterday:

The unsettling feeling that Burrow would have no trouble getting his team down the field for the go-ahead TD.

The unsettling feeling that Dalton would not be able to get the Saints down the field for a game-winning TD.

Conservative, game-managed offenses are mostly a relic.
 
BreesusSaves said:
Allen is learning the hard lesson Payton had to learn... because he's the exact mirror of Payton. Payton was an offensive genius and defensive glue eater. Allen is a defensive genius and offensive glue eater.

He needs a strong, independent mind to run the offense. Carmichael is not that guy.

We KNOW Allen knows how to not only run the defense, but command their respect.

We are seeing he is not able to do the same for the offense. He could still be a good Head Coach, but like Payton, he has to find his "Gregg Williams/Dennis Allen" for the other side of the ball.
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DA is not a defensive genius.
 
Here’s the thing. Look at what we have on this team. We brought in Allen and really only won 2 games because of sheer QB ability/luck.

Now look at the level of talent Atlanta has. They have injuries also. But their new coaching staff has figured out how to do all the little things that make a team successful. That’s the difference of the coach. Put atlantas coach on our team and this team is probably 6-0. Put Allen with Atlanta and they are 0-6
 
I do think that Allen is in over his head. Hiring him as head coach was the easy way out. Injuries do matter & there is really no such thing as next man up. My disappointment is the defense. We have to have the worst tackling secondary in the league. We have lost to arguably the worst team in the league & give up a few big plays a game. That is all on Allen. The problem is I don't see Loomis getting rid of him quickly. He is probably gonna get 2 years & maybe even 3.
 
Jb25saints said:
SP had 7-9 seasons with one of the greatest QBs off all time.

Let’s give DA a bit of slack here..

OP is right. We don’t have a QB, missing star players..
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That's true but the offenses were always top 5. What's wrong with this defense? This is supposed to be DAs area of expertise & the offense has been good enough to win a couple of these games. If the defense was good we'd be 4-2 or 5-1.
 
BreesusSaves said:
Allen is learning the hard lesson Payton had to learn... because he's the exact mirror of Payton. Payton was an offensive genius and defensive glue eater. Allen is a defensive genius and offensive glue eater.

He needs a strong, independent mind to run the offense. Carmichael is not that guy.

We KNOW Allen knows how to not only run the defense, but command their respect.

We are seeing he is not able to do the same for the offense. He could still be a good Head Coach, but like Payton, he has to find his "Gregg Williams/Dennis Allen" for the other side of the ball.
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He is NOT a mirror of Payton. He is the polar opposite. No fire. SP would work the refs, and get pissed at them. DA barely talks to them. If a player messed up all SP had to do was give them the look. And it was the defensive genius defense that let u down yesterday.
 
JackDiesel said:
I want to know why he gets blamed for the bad tackling. These are grown men, professionals, that have been playing this game for a while. Does he really need to sit them down in a meeting room, tell them not to eat the crayons, and then go over tackling 101 again with them?
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He's a coach right and coaches do things like practice drills and party attention to details. This team is composed of 90% of the players from last year and only one major thing changed- a new HC.
 
Jb25saints said:
SP had 7-9 seasons with one of the greatest QBs off all time.

Let’s give DA a bit of slack here..

OP is right. We don’t have a QB, missing star players..
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Payton got to the conference championship his first year and won a ring in his first 5 years, he earned a pass. DA hafd a losing record every year in Oakland. It was a bad hire, he gets no pass.
 
Whether you like him or not, he's not going anywhere for at least two seasons.

1. This was Mickey's hire. He can't admit defeat that easily. He decided to preserve the current culture, and he will stick by that for at least two seasons.
2. We're not exactly a destination for new coaches anymore. We've traded away a ton of draft capital and we have aging/oft-injured players on high-cost contracts. We wouldn't be able to attract a good coach candidate for next season because they have very little to build with.

We probably should have ripped the band-aid and tried to find an exciting young coach during the last offseason while there was still some allure to this job.
 
To some degree, I agree with the OP. Allen has been dealt a bad hand in terms of injuries so far and that's hard for any coach to overcome. I think he also lacks, at least so far, the connection with the fan base Payton established right away. Payton didn't just inspire the team, he inspired the city and that's something few coaches can do.
 
Multiple injuries at key positions on both sides of the ball, instability at QB, & poor individual on field performance (specifically in tackling) have killed us this year. DA & the entire staff are partly responsible for sure, but to me, it’s more on the players who arent making the plays that are in front of them. I mean, DA isnt the one missing tackles that lead to chunk plays & long TDs. He’s not on the field period. The play calls are putting our players in position & the plays are there to be made, theyre just not holding up their end of the bargain. Thats not 100% DA’s fault.
 
If this season ends up fewer than 6 wins (very likely) then DA should be fired. We were sold on continuity - that was his biggest, or maybe only real resume point. He completely fumbled that away in a few short months. We would stick with him based on what, at that point?
 

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