In defense of Allen (gulp) (1 Viewer)

[JackDiesel]

He's a coach right and coaches do things like practice drills and party attention to details. This team is composed of 90% of the players from last year and only one major thing changed- a new HC.

I didn't go look at the stats but Underhill pointed out tackling was a problem last year too. Had 20 against the Bills.

 

[SpinnerSaint]

By the end of the game their D line was all over Dalton. If they were gonna be conservative in the last drive, instead of run run pass, they should have run once w/ Kamara, once w/ T. Hill and maybe some type of reverse or end around with Shaheed. If you can't muster up 10 yards you can't win.

Or maybe just 3/ runs w Taysom and Kamara. You gotta give Taysom an opportunity w/ the game on the line when all you need is 10 yeards, maybe even something creative where he pulls up and throws it.

 

[DisplacedSaint]

Sorry. But that’s just an excuse about the injuries. We’ve battled injuries the last decade, so this is nothing new...

And we lost games that we should have won because of it.. People seem to have amnesia on this forum. We screamed and yelled about losing with Payton at the helm when we were the walking infirmary.

We're playing competitive football while missing a huge chunk of our starters, under a new coach. Give it some time!

 

[44slayer]

Whether you like him or not, he's not going anywhere for at least two seasons.

1. This was Mickey's hire. He can't admit defeat that easily. He decided to preserve the current culture, and he will stick by that for at least two seasons.
2. We're not exactly a destination for new coaches anymore. We've traded away a ton of draft capital and we have aging/oft-injured players on high-cost contracts. We wouldn't be able to attract a good coach candidate for next season because they have very little to build with.

We probably should have ripped the band-aid and tried to find an exciting young coach during the last offseason while there was still some allure to this job.

1) This is Gayles boat. If its a rebuild, Mickey needs to go too. He hired Allen, he is the personnel guy. We have had 2 seasons with a bunch of paper champions on the inactive list. When you hunt for guys in the draft trying to be the smartest person in the room, or looking for bargains in the draft, FA and resigning due to injury history - you cant be too shocked when you have players who continue their injury history. We have 3 first round picks in 2 small school, raw DE's and they have a half a sack between them. 1 of them doesnt even get to wear a uniform on Sundays. Then theres the TE situation. The RB2 situation. QB. Andrus Peat. Pete Carmichael. You look up and down this roster and its Loomis decisions. He got credit for building the Saints, he should get just as much blame for the roster, draft and cap situation.

2) We were the LAST destination for new coaches in 2006. Maybe historically last. But regardless of how bad the situation is, there are only 32 of these jobs on earth and only about 6 on average are open each year. You go out and find the right guy, and dont settle on an in house guy who had an 8-28 career record on his resume.

 

[SigFreudianSlip]

I think he should be given the season, but I sure would like to see a little more fire. As so many others have stated.

 

[RadsRock]

Sorry. But that’s just an excuse about the injuries. We’ve battled injuries the last decade, so this is nothing new.

We all know, battling injuries is part of the game.

But a game without WR 1, 2 AND 3? That IS something new, to my recollection. Reminds me of when we played Denver and they had no QB

 

[44slayer]

We all know, battling injuries is part of the game.

But a game without WR 1, 2 AND 3? That IS something new, to my recollection. Reminds me of when we played Denver and they had no QB

Coming off a season where we set the record for most amount of starters in a season. Injuries are a fluke. 2 years with this many injuries is a personnel issue.

 

[boutte]

1) This is Gayles boat. If its a rebuild, Mickey needs to go too. He hired Allen, he is the personnel guy. We have had 2 seasons with a bunch of paper champions on the inactive list. When you hunt for guys in the draft trying to be the smartest person in the room, or looking for bargains in the draft, FA and resigning due to injury history - you cant be too shocked when you have players who continue their injury history. We have 3 first round picks in 2 small school, raw DE's and they have a half a sack between them. 1 of them doesnt even get to wear a uniform on Sundays. Then theres the TE situation. The RB2 situation. QB. Andrus Peat. Pete Carmichael. You look up and down this roster and its Loomis decisions. He got credit for building the Saints, he should get just as much blame for the roster, draft and cap situation.

2) We were the LAST destination for new coaches in 2006. Maybe historically last. But regardless of how bad the situation is, there are only 32 of these jobs on earth and only about 6 on average are open each year. You go out and find the right guy, and dont settle on an in house guy who had an 8-28 career record on his resume.

That's such worn out and lazy thing to say. The Raiders were a total dumpster fire at the time. So Allen didn't go in as a first time head coach and totally rebuild it into a power house in two seasons. That obviously means that there's absolutely no possibility of him ever being a decent coach. Nobody has ever succeeded at a second chance. Ever!

It's just a tired old trope.

 

[Saintcd]

We all know, battling injuries is part of the game.

But a game without WR 1, 2 AND 3? That IS something new, to my recollection. Reminds me of when we played Denver and they had no QB

The problem is that the offense did better yesterday and last week with practice squad players than they did the first few games with a full WR room. If you can’t scheme and win with your best WRs, you’re not going to do it with practice squad players. Yesterday’s WRs made our top 3 WRs look like they are just mailing it in with the exception of olave. This is a coaching issue at this point, either bad scheme, bad play calling or the coach isn’t motivating them.

 

[44slayer]

That's such worn out and lazy thing to say. The Raiders were a total dumpster fire at the time. So Allen didn't go in as a first time head coach and totally rebuild it into a power house in two seasons. That obviously means that there's absolutely no possibility of him ever being a decent coach. Nobody has ever succeeded at a second chance. Ever!

It's just a tired old trope.

Ah, the tired old trope that the Raiders were a dumpster fire. What a worn out lazy thing to say, so lets look at the dumpster fire.

He was given a 3rd season, and started 0-4.

The last thing we want to talk about is facts though. Yes, DA was 8-28 with the dumpster fire. The 2 years before DA took over? the Raiders were 16-16. The 2 years after he left? 19-13.

2 years before DA - .500
2+ years with DA - .222
2 years after DA - .594

So both before and after he left, the Raiders were a .500+ organization. But just the Allen era they were a "total dumpster fire"

 

[nolasteve]

Already l am seeing a bunch of fire him threads, which l think is very unfair of some of us
Yesterday we without our starting quarterback, 3 starting wide receivers, pro bowl corner, first round pick tackle and lost our starting tight end ( who was actually playing pretty well ) early
We were still very competitive, the only team l see as beat up as us is the 49ers who lost to a pretty bad Atlanta team ( wonder if their fans are calling for their coaches heads ? )
We lost at least two games this season mainly due to awful referees
He did not put us in this cap mess, we went all in in previous years and it would be hard for any head coach to sign good free agents with the mess we are in
Give the guy a chance, a whole lot of things that are wrong right now are simply not his fault

My take on DA is likely what a lot of others are feeling. He lacks intensity on the sidelines. There’s essentially zero emotion coming from him after any given play. Same with Pete. They actually look somewhat over their heads.

 

[bearze34]

Already l am seeing a bunch of fire him threads, which l think is very unfair of some of us
Yesterday we without our starting quarterback, 3 starting wide receivers, pro bowl corner, first round pick tackle and lost our starting tight end ( who was actually playing pretty well ) early
We were still very competitive, the only team l see as beat up as us is the 49ers who lost to a pretty bad Atlanta team ( wonder if their fans are calling for their coaches heads ? )
We lost at least two games this season mainly due to awful referees
He did not put us in this cap mess, we went all in in previous years and it would be hard for any head coach to sign good free agents with the mess we are in
Give the guy a chance, a whole lot of things that are wrong right now are simply not his fault

Yes many fans are calling for Shanahans head and blaming Garoppolo. Shanahan blamed the defense and Garoppolo said they were tired after a long road trip.

 

[No2DC]

We all know, battling injuries is part of the game.

But a game without WR 1, 2 AND 3? That IS something new, to my recollection. Reminds me of when we played Denver and they had no QB

Do you remember our receivers from last year or when our coaching staff had covid?

 

[No2DC]

I didn't go look at the stats but Underhill pointed out tackling was a problem last year too. Had 20 against the Bills.

The only stat that matters is wins and losses.

 

[Pkessling]

Already l am seeing a bunch of fire him threads, which l think is very unfair of some of us
Yesterday we without our starting quarterback, 3 starting wide receivers, pro bowl corner, first round pick tackle and lost our starting tight end ( who was actually playing pretty well ) early
We were still very competitive, the only team l see as beat up as us is the 49ers who lost to a pretty bad Atlanta team ( wonder if their fans are calling for their coaches heads ? )
We lost at least two games this season mainly due to awful referees
He did not put us in this cap mess, we went all in in previous years and it would be hard for any head coach to sign good free agents with the mess we are in
Give the guy a chance, a whole lot of things that are wrong right now are simply not his fault

Defense and Allen should not be used in the same sentence. Did you notice the difference between the Saints “prevent defense” and the Bengals defense on the Saints last drive?
The Bengals had 3 DL and 8 DBs: 4 10 yards deep and 4 20 yards deep. DA typically would have 4 DL, 1 or 2 LBs and 5 or 6 DBs. That defense costs us several playoff games.