Ingram benched [OLD THREAD BUMPED] (1 Viewer)

[DaveXA]

I don't need stats, my eye test tells me Hightower runs better, I like Ingram, but I like Hightower more.

Well, if you ignore stats, then there's nothing else to discuss.

 

[kcirdor]

The problem with the Eye test is the eye only notes things that agree with your bias.

Most of you Eye Testers probably picked Khiry Robinson as your guy. Khiry doesn't play in the NFL anymore. The numbers during the Mark/Khiry are on the field to run it era, say Khiry wasn't the guy, and in all other aspects of the game, Mark held that advantage.

You eye testers choose Tim Hightower but the numbers from the only season we can compare say that Mark Ingram is the guy. You eye testers surely fall under the Jim Mora mantra. You don't know ****.

 

[kcirdor]

0 out of 2 members

Im fully inviting the don't talk about thumbs, red thumb crowd here... But this made me literally Lol, here I am giving the guy that corrected me thumbs up and to go along with the only Greenie he got for that post, and two people red thumb it. (probably more after this invites the reds)

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[kcirdor]

In case anyone is wondering, that's less than any Saints RB during Ingram's tenure the entire time he's been in New Orleans. Dead last.

This right here is what I was looking for. Your statement is false and can't be over looked.

Hey, let me quickly put some stats together and hope no one else verifies it and make false statements. Not Today!

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[oldJC.SAINTS]

This right here is what I was looking for. Your statement is false and can't be over looked.

Hey, let me quickly put some stats together and hope no one else verifies it and make false statements. Not Today!

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Sometimes I wonder why I keep googling for hard facts before I post something... now, I know

 

[DaveXA]

This right here is what I was looking for. Your statement is false and can't be over looked.

Well, that's why I asked him to source it. I still don't see how he came to the "dead last" conclusion based on the source he posted. I looked at the stats and I don't see any comparable stats that puts him dead last.

My conclusion is that saying what he said amounts to hyperbole.

 

[Maik Jeaunz]

I may be a dissenting opinion here, but I don't see the love for Hightower as the superior running back. sure, I like his attitude, and he seems like a swell guy, and good to come in and spell the starter for a few carries. but most of the time it seems like he just runs into the first guy he sees, and that's it. he had one long run where they tossed it outside, and he averaged less than 3 YPC on the rest.

I think Ingram's biggest problem is the fact that Coach won't let him carry the load. he's only received 24 carries or more 3 times in his career here, and all 3 times he ran for at least 100 yards. he needs the volume to get going, but for some reason, Coach won't give it to him. but yet he throws Cadet in there to drop his 2 screen passes per game.

I don't get it, but I've also stopped trying to figure it out...

 

[StudioSaint]

This right here is what I was looking for. Your statement is false and can't be over looked.

Hey, let me quickly put some stats together and hope no one else verifies it and make false statements. Not Today!

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Well, that's why I asked him to source it. I still don't see how he came to the "dead last" conclusion based on the source he posted. I looked at the stats and I don't see any comparable stats that puts him dead last.

My conclusion is that saying what he said amounts to hyperbole.

It seems bclemms likes to pick a starter to relentlessly and biasedly attack until the player is demoted or off the team. Then he likes to gloat about how "right" he was versus the coaches. I wonder who he has up next.

 

[kcirdor]

It's interesting that the Primary back to compare Ingram with in the past few seasons, the averages are almost identical.

Initially I only compared total career numbers rather than only 2013, 2014 and 2015, when Khiry was on the team. This is ONLY using the criteria that Bclemms presented us, Margin of Victory splits.

I'll admit I was completely WRONG. When I look at each season individually Mark Ingram is markedly the BETTER BACK b/w the two during Khiry's career.

But hey, using Bclemm's logic behind the upcoming 49ers game everything the running backs do is purely based on the success of the Oline.

 

[Saints 4 life]

All I know is that if Mark coughs up another fumble sometime soon, we'll be seeing a lot more of Hightower and Lasco.

 

[DaveXA]

All I know is that if Mark coughs up another fumble sometime soon, we'll be seeing a lot more of Hightower and Lasco.

Of course. I don't think anyone here would argue otherwise. Fumbling is the quickest way to get a back benched. If I were coach, I'd bench him too if he fumbles again. That's life for a back in the NFL.

 

[VPCajun]

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Thank you to SP for putting in Hightower. Thank You!!! Finally ran the ball. We finally ran the ball at a top notch defense and took the pressure off Drew. Thank You SP!!

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Preach it!

Now the question is: Will SP have the PATIENCE to give the Run Game a similar priority in upcoming games!

(Cuz we all know a Run Game can be tedious esp in comparison to the excitement of a high Passing Game.)

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[kcirdor]

It seems bclemms likes to pick a starter to relentlessly and biasedly attack until the player is demoted or off the team. Then he likes to gloat about how "right" he was versus the coaches. I wonder who he has up next.

There are a few particular members that frequently post on SSF that tend to believe they are NFL scouts and know more than the coaches and the numbers. While I enjoy most of their posts, I'll take the numbers and the coaches over our resident message board scouts. When you look beyond the margin of victory splits and look more into the situational numbers. As well as having a simple understanding of how Payton designs specific roles for each particular running back, which feeds into opposing teams game plans, Ingram has respectable numbers. If we can only commit fully to running at minimum a 60/40 split regardless of the score, the defense will benefit tremendously as well as the Oline's ability to protect Drew.

We all hated Carl Smith for his conservative play calling, but it's that play calling that helped the Dome Patrol be so dominant. Carl's offense didn't allow those points late in the games. Prevent Defense did. If Sean can channel just 10% of Carl Smith into his play calling, we are going 10 and 0 to finish the season. I don't care who is running the ball.

 

[Goatman Saint]

Payton channeling Carl Smith. Holy cow, did you really just say that?


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[kcirdor]

Payton channeling Carl Smith. Holy cow, did you really just say that?

Yes. I may have been young in those days but I remember vividly hating Carl Smith and Hating the Prevent defense. But in retrospect, Mora was the overly conservative one because the Defense went Ultra Conservative too at the end of games.