Is PC the real problem with offense? (2 Viewers)

[Deuuuuce]

Because it don't matter if you keep DA as HC

That’s why we need to fire pc. So we can find out if that’s true.

 

[BayouSAINTJoe]

That’s why we need to fire pc. So we can find out if that’s true.

Ok...lemme know how it turns out

 

[football]

I think Pete is very good at play design. Problems are with timing and personnel decisions. If you look around the league we are not as bad offensively as people make it out to be. Numbers wise we are pretty good. But decision making among our coaches is horrible.

 

[Deuuuuce]

I think Pete is very good at play design. Problems are with timing and personnel decisions. If you look around the league we are not as bad offensively as people make it out to be. Numbers wise we are pretty good. But decision making among our coaches is horrible.

Yeah, that’s been the biggest issue for me is the timing of certain play calls.
Also there are too many games where a key player of ours gets blanked. No matter what the defense is doing, you have to scheme ways to get the ball in the hands of your best players. Kamara has had zero space to work with this year, and it took all year to figure out how to get the tight ends involved.

 

[Centmssaint1]

Yep. 100%. DA called those plays. It’s not the OC’s job to call plays. Good job figuring that out.

You’re probably being sarcastic, but DA tells the OC to be aggressive or conservative.

 

[Rexman100]

I think that DA is holding offense back. From 1st half to beginning of 3rd quarter Saints were aggressive on offense and defense. After that they were so conservative they nearly let Tampa back in the game. On offense no receivers, bunched line trying to run up the middle on 1st and 2nd down having to throw on 3rd and long.

I think it’s the coaches responsibility to motivate their team weekly. Forcing them to play like their hair is on fire. Dictating the energy and forcing the opponent to match or raise. It’s called fighting Like dogs. It’s this aspect that DA overlooked. He thought that he could just put the right players in the right position and everythig will work itselft out. “After all they are pros”. NOT. Money helps no one while they are being punched in the mouth in the ring. Sean Payton found ways each week to motivate the team. It took sheer desperatation with our backs agaisnt the wall, for them to play like they did yesterday. I remember thinking during the year after a losss, the team acted like, “it’s a long season, we have time to turn it around“. And I’m like, that was a must win game! What are you thinking. Thats why Gruden is appealing, because he knows how to motivate his team and they play hard for hI’m. We need someone like that. I dont care who it is. But we want that guy.

 

[SweetT]

Because it don't matter if you keep DA as HC

EXCELLENT POINT!!! Someone gets it

 

[Wheelo]

Go back and watch the Rams game. A guy calling plays the way they should be called in 2023 vs Pete Carmichael. An absolute joke. 90% of plays contained motion, Stafford dropped back to pass without play action on like 10 pass attempts, rub routes for easy completions.

 

[Saint KayBee]

Sean Payton used frequent substitutions to implement different looks for a defense to consider, run multiple concepts out of a single look, or the opposite by running the same concept out of multiple looks, making subtle tweaks based on how the defense reacted to, say, Colston’s first move or where Moore wound up on a choice route. It was all intelligent and in service of something: this offense is going to force its will on you, Drew is going to know which way Cooks breaks this route based on which foot is forward pre-snap, Drew is going to make the correct read virtually every time, and if you think you’re stopping it because your little tablet saw Watson sit on this spot on a prior third-and-4 from the right hash, what you don’t know is that he was the third read and oop - that ball is going over your safety’s head and into Stills’ hands for 6 the very next time down and distance says to go to this look.

Pete Carmichael does not have that kind of feel for his subs, packages, and play calls. It feels like he does the player swaps just to do it, then calls things outside of guys’ strengths, which disrupts timing/positioning and leaves Carr either having to quick-fix the situation or take a sack because, say, Kirkwood is on the field instead of Olave, and he didn’t get to the spot Olave would already be at, and the CB is sitting on the route he already knows Kirkwood is going to run.

 

[liveoakh]

Starting this season, the only real changes made on offense were FA Carr, Williams, and starting Penning at LT. The only in season change, was Pete moving to LT and Penning being benched.

Benching Penning and starting Pete, has worked out better than I thought. It had a positive effect on every player on the line. If we make a change at OC, it will be Carr's 4th or 5th OC. I say let them all answer for their performance together next year. We can lick our wounds in 2024 and clean house of Loomis, DA, Pete, and Carr at the end of that season.

 

[str8outtajerzy]

I think we should keep PC another season

 

[MJ in Calif]

I'm not saying PC doesn't call plays, I just think DA has control of what plays can be called during game.

Doublespeak. You make no sense. You're not saying PC doesn't call plays, but then you contradict that by saying DA controls what plays are called during the game.

 

[mdharper]

We can't know what he's doing and why but the OC is always the first one to absorb the blame when a team struggles.

 

[Saint KayBee]

We can't know what he's doing and why

Many fans have stated they can guess what’s going to happen simply based on down & distance + who’s on the field. Pete rarely surprises and often disappoints.

but the OC is always the first one to absorb the blame when a team struggles.

(citation needed)

From what I’ve observed, Pete Carmichael has taken the least blame this season, which is remarkable given it’s his side of the ball that has consistently under-performed in 2022/23. People more often act like Allen as HC is in charge of the offense because Payton as HC was, when that’s simply not true. Dennis Allen’s dad was a pro linebacker, he was a collegiate safety, and the entirety of his coaching resumé is in defensive capacities. Pete Carmichael’s big claim is that he stood next to Drew Brees for 19 years, and Sean Payton was there for 14 of them. You can have the feeling or preference for an offensive-minded head coach in the NFL, while also acknowledging that Drew Brees’ shadow doesn’t coach others so well.

 

[ELLIASJWILLIAMS]

I think DA is a defensive-minded coach and wants to rely on low-risk offensive plays and let the defense drive the game.

Payton was the exact opposite. Payton believed that if you scored enough points - defense only needs to be competent.

Payton found his most success when he finally let go of trying to outsource everyone and handed his defense over to someone and allowed them to do their thing.

Allen needs to do the same thing. I don’t know if he’s telling Pete to get conservative but it doesn’t take a genius to see he prefers to have the defense drive the train.

How much sense does it make for him to keep the same staff in place if he wanted to be conservative? I don't think it's that