Is PC the real problem with offense? (2 Viewers)

[BoNcHiE]

Getting conservative with a big lead is *a problem* but it is not anywhere close to our biggest problem on offense.

So if DA is responsible for that, okay, he should do better, but our biggest problem is still not scoring points in the 1st half of games, not getting up 20-0 one time all season, and shutting it down too early.

Pete is still the primary problem on offense.

 

[Optimistic Ozzy]

Let's see. He calls the plays with players in packages. When you don't use Graham and Hill like they should be used, didn't use play action consistently the first 16 games, I'd say it just might fall on PC.

 

[MikeT]

Doublespeak. You make no sense. You're not saying PC doesn't call plays, but then you contradict that by saying DA controls what plays are called during the game.

Doublespeak, really? It's my belief that Allen doesn't call specific plays, but tells him what set of plays he can call from. A play call sheet has a group of different plays for different situations in a game.

 

[Jb25saints]

Go back and watch the Rams game. A guy calling plays the way they should be called in 2023 vs Pete Carmichael. An absolute joke. 90% of plays contained motion, Stafford dropped back to pass without play action on like 10 pass attempts, rub routes for easy completions.

Exactly ^^

When we played the rams their offense looked sooo much different than ours. It was almost like watching a different game

 

[Infoman]

I honestly think it has more to do with DA than Pete....

I think these are the game plans DA wants.... and that's why things rarely work out of the gate.

He wants a run first - ball control - low turnover - play not to lose - simplified offense.... so he can lean on his defense for wins.

The issue is, our Oline is not consistent enough for that... Our personnel on offense doesn't mesh well with that style.... and Pete can never get a rhythm.

It seems like we can never get an offensive game plan to work from snap #1, and by the time (and if) we adjust we are already playing from behind.

Unless DA gives up all of the offensive game planning, philosophy, and design duties to someone else.... I don't think replacing Pete with anyone will make much difference.

 

[TenTwo]

I am completely prepared for the RC promotion with PC staying on in a different role.

 

[MJ in Calif]

Doublespeak, really? It's my belief that Allen doesn't call specific plays, but tells him what set of plays he can call from. A play call sheet has a group of different plays for different situations in a game.

Your belief? So you're just throwing this out there? Well it's my belief that PC puts together gameplans and does call plays from a call sheet he puts together. What input DA has, if any, we really don't know.

The team will make changes on the offense side of tha ball and PC will be the 1st of a number of them. That's how they're going to attempt to satisfy the fanbase.

 

[MikeT]

Your belief? So you're just throwing this out there? Well it's my belief that PC puts together gameplans and does call plays from a call sheet he puts together. What input DA has, if any, we really don't know.

The team will make changes on the offense side of tha ball and PC will be the 1st of a number of them. That's how they're going to attempt to satisfy the fanbase.

Your belief? So you're just throwing this out there? Well it's my belief that PC puts together gameplans and does call plays from a call sheet he puts together. What input DA has, if any, we really don't know.

The team will make changes on the offense side of tha ball and PC will be the 1st of a number of them. That's how they're going to attempt to satisfy the fanbase.

Thats exactly right we dont know. Apparently only your opinion matters. I don't disagree that PC will be let go and I see the reasoning behind it. But unless DA gives the offensive coordinator complete control of offensive play calling, what difference does it make.

 

[mr.t]

I think we should keep PC another season

How come

 

[BoxerJoe]

I don't have a problem with the change to a more conservative approach on offense after halftime. They were up 17-0 and were now without Kamara for the rest of the game. The conservative approach actually increased their lead to 20-0 with Tampa having the ball on their own 9 yard line with 10:30 left in the game. At that point, it was mainly the defense giving up big plays that was so costly. Mayfield completed passes of 35, 14, 16, & 22 yards on that TD drive. Then he completed a 54 yard pass which was fortunately fumbled as the WR was going down untouched on Tampa's next possession. Their last possssion was two plays and ended with a 47 yard TD completion.

 

[SaintswonSBXLIV]

He is a large part of the problem, but Allen's conservative mindset is a huge problem. Allen started trying to run out the clock midway through the 3rd quarter last Sunday. He acted like 20-0 was 100-0. His play not to lose mentality was best reflected by the 4th and 1 when he opted for the FG. A first down ends the game. Instead, he opts for a FG allowing TB to have a chance to win. Many people, including myself, thought Allen would've learned when the team blew the 16-0 lead last season vs. TB on MNF. But, alas, no. Allen is a dud and should be fired.

 

[jahsoul357]

I am completely prepared for the RC promotion with PC staying on in a different role in Denver.

 

[platinumvinnyv]

I honestly think it has more to do with DA than Pete....

I think these are the game plans DA wants.... and that's why things rarely work out of the gate.

He wants a run first - ball control - low turnover - play not to lose - simplified offense.... so he can lean on his defense for wins.

The issue is, our Oline is not consistent enough for that... Our personnel on offense doesn't mesh well with that style.... and Pete can never get a rhythm.

It seems like we can never get an offensive game plan to work from snap #1, and by the time (and if) we adjust we are already playing from behind.

Unless DA gives up all of the offensive game planning, philosophy, and design duties to someone else.... I don't think replacing Pete with anyone will make much difference.

This right here is a 100% Correct of what it is BUT I dont think there is nothing wrong with that playstyle if you have the personal to do it. And we dont we have inconsistent O Line, small speedy receivers and a running back who excel as a receiving back, (even though he can 100% can run between tackles) . Here's my issue do you give DA enough time to change players to fit his scheme with our Cap situation or do you start fresh with again with a new coach and a new defense coordinator who has to run DA scheme. I dont know the answer it is what it is

 

[MJ in Calif]

Thats exactly right we dont know. Apparently only your opinion matters. I don't disagree that PC will be let go and I see the reasoning behind it. But unless DA gives the offensive coordinator complete control of offensive play calling, what difference does it make.

First you confirm that none of us know, but then you follow that up stating what you believe is a fact; that DA does control the playcalling? I see no evidence that scenario exists, so....

I do not disagree that DA has to give up complete control of the offense if that indeed is happening. And to attract a viable OC, that needs to be part of the deal.

But again, PC is the OC and this has been his offense the past two seasons and its been abysmal. A change there is coming along with other positions on the staff, even with DA being retained.

Yes that's my opinion and no, its not the only one that matters. Management has to make some changes in order to keep the fanbase engaged and logic dictates that starts with the offense.

 

[BreesusSaves]

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