Is Rattler your guy next year? (1 Viewer)

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A comparison of some advanced metrics between rookie QB's:



On Target %

Jayden Daniels- 78.7%

Drake Maye- 76.4%

Bo Nix- 75.5%

Spencer Rattler- 71.4%

Caleb Williams- 71.3%

Michael Penix- 66.7%



Drop %

Spencer Rattler- 8.0%

Bo Nix- 6.2%

Jayden Daniels- 4.2%

Caleb Williams- 3.8%

Drake Maye- 3.4%

Michael Penix- 3.0%



Bad Throw %

Jayden Daniels- 14.2%

Bo Nix- 15.8%

Drake Maye- 16.1%

Spencer Rattler- 18.9%

Caleb Williams- 21.8%

Michael Penix- 25.8%



Pressure %

Caleb Williams- 23.7%

Spencer Rattler- 22.4%

Drake Maye- 19.8%

Jayden Daniels- 17.3%

Bo Nix- 16.7%

Michael Penix- 12.3%



Air Yards per Completion

Spencer Rattler- 5.6 air yards per completion

Jayden Daniels- 5.5 air yards per completion

Michael Penix- 5.1 air yards per completion

Caleb Williams- 4.9 air yards per completion

Drake Maye- 4.8 air yards per completion

Bo Nix- 4.5 air yards per completion



As someone who has been a pretty big Spencer Rattler supporter, I must say some of these numbers are encouraging in looking at the bigger picture. It confirms that Rattler has been under as much pressure due to poor OL play as just about any rookie in this draft class with only Caleb Williams having slightly more pressure to deal with. It also confirms that no rookie QB has been even close to as impacted by dropped balls as Spencer Rattler has this season. Other than Bo Nix, Rattler has had to deal with basically double the drops that other rookie QB's have had to deal with. Despite being under constant pressure, Rattler's on target and bad throw percentages are right in the middle of the pack among rookie QB's this season. One could probably assume that if he was in a better situation in terms of OL play, that he would likely have better percentages in these areas. What I find interesting with these numbers is that despite being under a ton of pressure, he's also leading the rookie class in air yards per completion. Meaning that he's not doing simple check downs and is actually pushing the ball downfield on his completions more than any rookie in this class. I'd also venture to say Rattler has had among the most difficult matchups of these rookie QB's (Bucs, Broncos, Chargers, Commanders, Packers, Raiders).

None of this is to say Rattler hasn't had his fair share of rookie mistakes, or that he doesn't have some flaws to correct, but simply to put in perspective that he's shown some potential under some really difficult circumstances. I'd really like to see him get a start vs the Bucs this weekend with Kamara and Olave back in the lineup. Even if we don't win, I'd like to see him put in a positive performance from start to finish. He's played a few really good halves in his 6 appearances (1st half vs Bucs, 2nd half vs Commanders, 1st half vs Raiders). Ending the season on a positive note with a good game to end the year would be a nice way to end the season and at least provide some more optimism about what he could be long term for us as a potential QB of the future.
 
Quit saying that swjj, you know Mickey would go out and prove it wrong, that cap, he likes showing people the impossible is possible... Maybe not smart though
 
tyler735 said:
A comparison of some advanced metrics between rookie QB's:



On Target %

Jayden Daniels- 78.7%

Drake Maye- 76.4%

Bo Nix- 75.5%

Spencer Rattler- 71.4%

Caleb Williams- 71.3%

Michael Penix- 66.7%



Drop %

Spencer Rattler- 8.0%

Bo Nix- 6.2%

Jayden Daniels- 4.2%

Caleb Williams- 3.8%

Drake Maye- 3.4%

Michael Penix- 3.0%



Bad Throw %

Jayden Daniels- 14.2%

Bo Nix- 15.8%

Drake Maye- 16.1%

Spencer Rattler- 18.9%

Caleb Williams- 21.8%

Michael Penix- 25.8%



Pressure %

Caleb Williams- 23.7%

Spencer Rattler- 22.4%

Drake Maye- 19.8%

Jayden Daniels- 17.3%

Bo Nix- 16.7%

Michael Penix- 12.3%



Air Yards per Completion

Spencer Rattler- 5.6 air yards per completion

Jayden Daniels- 5.5 air yards per completion

Michael Penix- 5.1 air yards per completion

Caleb Williams- 4.9 air yards per completion

Drake Maye- 4.8 air yards per completion

Bo Nix- 4.5 air yards per completion



As someone who has been a pretty big Spencer Rattler supporter, I must say some of these numbers are encouraging in looking at the bigger picture. It confirms that Rattler has been under as much pressure due to poor OL play as just about any rookie in this draft class with only Caleb Williams having slightly more pressure to deal with. It also confirms that no rookie QB has been even close to as impacted by dropped balls as Spencer Rattler has this season. Other than Bo Nix, Rattler has had to deal with basically double the drops that other rookie QB's have had to deal with. Despite being under constant pressure, Rattler's on target and bad throw percentages are right in the middle of the pack among rookie QB's this season. One could probably assume that if he was in a better situation in terms of OL play, that he would likely have better percentages in these areas. What I find interesting with these numbers is that despite being under a ton of pressure, he's also leading the rookie class in air yards per completion. Meaning that he's not doing simple check downs and is actually pushing the ball downfield on his completions more than any rookie in this class. I'd also venture to say Rattler has had among the most difficult matchups of these rookie QB's (Bucs, Broncos, Chargers, Commanders, Packers, Raiders).

None of this is to say Rattler hasn't had his fair share of rookie mistakes, or that he doesn't have some flaws to correct, but simply to put in perspective that he's shown some potential under some really difficult circumstances. I'd really like to see him get a start vs the Bucs this weekend with Kamara and Olave back in the lineup. Even if we don't win, I'd like to see him put in a positive performance from start to finish. He's played a few really good halves in his 6 appearances (1st half vs Bucs, 2nd half vs Commanders, 1st half vs Raiders). Ending the season on a positive note with a good game to end the year would be a nice way to end the season and at least provide some more optimism about what he could be long term for us as a potential QB of the future.
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All the more reason NOT to draft a QB in this draft. The Saints have picked late round QBs over the years, and they have been wasted picks.

From what I can gather, there aren’t any first round quality quarterbacks this time around. The Saints have a plethora of needs, and Carr is at least average. Carr and Rattler would benefit from shoring up the interior line, getting a good physical WR, and improving the TE group. And that’s not even considering the needs on defense.

Let Carr and Rattler compete for starting QB. Either would benefit from a better supporting cast, It’s just possible that Rattler won’t be a wasted late round pick.
 
I suspect Carr will be our QB in 2025 and that 2026 will be the year of the Rattler.

My preference would be for Rattler to start in 2025 and to invest the entire off season into developing his mastery of the offense, his timing with receivers, etc.

His drop rate is high in part because he throws absolute lasers by Carr/Haener comparison and the receivers have not developed the practice/timing to catch these balls. He also throws some of these rockets because he doesn't trust his timing yet and is throwing them late. All of these things he needs more reps with the #1s to get a chance to improve. I am worried being the #2 QB isn't going to give him the experience to excel next year when he inevitably does play (Carr is bound to get hurt again).

So I am in favor of just ripping the bandaid off and getting his development under way in full swing. Give him a full 2025 and 2026 and I think you'll know exactly what you have with Rattler. If it's really bad in 2025 then you go all in on your 2026 draft. If it's pedestrian in 2025 then you give him 2026 and if it's no better then you make your draft investment at QB in 2027.
 
Depends on who our head coach is. I have zero concerns about Rattler being QB for 2025 if we get Joe Brady or Ben Johnson. Anyone else, Vrabel, Aaron Glenn, etc etc, and Rattler's career is doomed as long as he's in New Orleans.
 
Is this even a debate anymore?

Carr and Rattler go to camp. Carr is the presumed starter. Rattler will have preseason to show his development. Waive Haener. Draft another arm with something special and development-ready in their skillset.
 
It's the new regime's decision, and he's under contract.
 
rsmith2783 said:
Assuming we move on from Derek, is Rattler your guy next year? On Twitter, there appears to be mixed reviews of him.
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I can give you 51 million reasons we should not move on from Derek Carr. I do think the way out of this cap mess is to get a QB on a rookie deal. I'll try to coach up Rattler with one eye on drafting a QB in 2026. By most accounts this is a weak QB class. Ward or Sanders are not in the same conversation with Jayden, Caleb, Nix and even Maye.

I'd roll with Carr one more year then part ways in 2026.
 
It's hard to give him a complete evaluation with all the offensive injuries we've dealt with, but if they did decide to go with him, they have to commit to it.
 
webster said:
Going with Rattler next season would secure the first pick next draft.
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Which could be a win/win scenario. If we spend this draft working on shoring up some talent on skill positions/trenches. Give Rattler the reigns next year to either sink or swim. In other words, Rattler either continues his development and shows he can be our long term QB, or he flounders and we get a top pick next year with a better constructed roster for a top QB prospect (Hopefully Manning?) to come into.
 
tyler735 said:
Which could be a win/win scenario. If we spend this draft working on shoring up some talent on skill positions/trenches. Give Rattler the reigns next year to either sink or swim. In other words, Rattler either continues his development and shows he can be our long term QB, or he flounders and we get a top pick next year with a better constructed roster for a top QB prospect (Hopefully Manning?) to come into.
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I agree with most of this except, I wouldn’t want to see him continue to develop as he has been. Looks like he throwing more inaccurate passes each game.
 
tyler735 said:
Which could be a win/win scenario. If we spend this draft working on shoring up some talent on skill positions/trenches. Give Rattler the reigns next year to either sink or swim. In other words, Rattler either continues his development and shows he can be our long term QB, or he flounders and we get a top pick next year with a better constructed roster for a top QB prospect (Hopefully Manning?) to come into.
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Doesn't work like you think it does. A massive problem is that after that kind of season, your current roster is in a moral mindset of "I'm just here to collect a check" mentality. It would take a massive boon, ala Jayden Daniels style to jumpstart that roster back into competitive mode.

It's a big reason why teams that end up with high picks often linger there. It's a hard culture to change and many coaches/GM's fail at it. Browns, Raiders, Jets have been stuck in that rut the longest. Giants too since a year or two before Eli Manning retired. Browns can't be forgotten either.

And if you think its easy to fix, you're kidding yourself. It took the Lions a long time before Campbell came along with his squad and changed it.
 
fans will not sit quietly as the better QB sits on the bench while we lose to get the number 1 pick.

This isn't the NBA. Teams don;t tank.

Playing your younger inferior QB to get him experience while you take losses gets you fired.

But keep posting whatever. (eyeroll)
 

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