Jake Haener (1 Viewer)

[CowtownSaint]

But it ain't me this time....just putting it out there

No not this time, it’s one of your other buddies, the 4 of you which we all know do this. Just saying it’s getting really frustrating and then you all come in with comments and what not, it’s clear as day

 

[CowtownSaint]

Anyways back to topic at hand, how do we see the play time split up for QBs this game? Will Haener get another full half?

 

[Judge_Smails]

The thing about a persecution complex is that only you think it's about you and your favourite player. Take it to a thread that cares.

Meanwhile, I think Rouxble is probably right, but ultimately it's a throw I'm sure Haener would want back and hopefully will learn from.

Oh look, it’s the Earl of Massengill. Do you feel persecuted? Because I don’t.

I just pay attention to how uneven some of the folks here are in their personal takes.

On the other hand we all know you’re just here to insult people with what you think is ascerbic wit. It’s not though. Keep your nozzle clean!!

 

[OutlawSaint]

Yassss! Can't wait to see Haener do his thang again!

 

[jahsoul357]

Grown Men don’t obsess over a single player with their friends and continually try and allude to how he was treated or why he should be a starter or whatever is the point of that day about their favourite player. It’s obsession that teenagers have that no matter what anyone is talking about, they are so absorbed by their infatuation with this person that they must bring it up during every topic.

I’m not trying to insult you or your buddies but I’m going to take the stand for the other people on here that don’t want to ruffle the feathers.

We just don’t need snide comments alluding to how unfair Winston was treated. We don’t need stats from 2015 comparing him to now and we don’t need to go over the minutia of 2022 any further. There is 100% a pattern of threads getting steered in that direction by a few posters on here. And it makes things very frustrating for the posters that want to discuss the topic at hand.

A grown man would probably get the message by now that it’s time to move on. But here it is spelt out for you.

Let’s focus on the season at hand abs the players that the thread is dedicated to.

If we can just stop this overbearing obsession with comparing backwards, and just focus on the positives of this season and the players or topics within the thread, I think we all will find things alot more enjoyable on here.

No not this time, it’s one of your other buddies, the 4 of you which we all know do this. Just saying it’s getting really frustrating and then you all come in with comments and what not, it’s clear as day

You really said all this like you didn't create a thread off of a passive aggressive post

You got to love to see it.

Carr and the first team looked very much on same page and look like they have been really putting in the work. Execution looked great.

Winston had a great first from inside the Chiefs 50, moved the ball well when he used his feet and found the Endzone on some good passes to Perry. That being said we know what we get with him no matter if we want to put blinders on, there are some decision issue and total lack of ability to ply under pressure or the blitz, however he was smart with the ball in those situations. All in all a great couple drives and some ugly ones too but it’s week one. It is pretty clear the drop off to the second team depth and from Carr to Winston however.

Haener played well I thought. Had good ball placement and zip on the ball. But had to fight a slew of dropped passes that’s forsure! A bad interception trying to force a play on 3rd and long! First NFL game though, he showed some good stuff. And ultimately he led the team down the field to score the game tying/winning TD had the Center not botched the snap on the convert try!

All in all our O looks a lot better than last year and to see all QBs find the Endzone is very encouraging!

This underhanded post to start a thread invalidated all of the posturing that you are attempting. That being said.

Anyways back to topic at hand, how do we see the play time split up for QBs this game? Will Haener get another full half?

I think that it will probably be more of the same as we saw last game or Winston might get a quarter and Haener will finish the game.

 

[meily]

Anyways back to topic at hand, how do we see the play time split up for QBs this game? Will Haener get another full half?

I think Carr and the starters get a quarter maybe even the first half as they will more than likely all be sitting for the third preseason game and Winston will get the third quarter and Haener will get the 4th quarter.

 

[BayouSAINTJoe]

Re: Haener...my stance

All QBs throw interceptions...it happens

Either he's the future #2 or the next Ian Book

 

[Judge_Smails]

I think Carr and the starters get a quarter maybe even the first half as they will more than likely all be sitting for the third preseason game and Winston will get the third quarter and Haener will get the 4th quarter.

I agree. Haener probably won’t play with the Two’s until the last preseason game, when he will probably play 3 quarters or more.

 

[Judge_Smails]

Re: Haener...my stance

All QBs throw interceptions...it happens

Either he's the future #2 or the next Ian Book

Haener looks undersized, but better than Book. He has Chase Daniels vibes to me, which is not bad. Obviously it would be ideal if he overcame his perceived limits and became The Guy.

 

[BayouSAINTJoe]

Haener looks undersized, but better than Book. He has Chase Daniels vibes to me, which is not bad. Obviously it would be ideal if he overcame his perceived limits and became The Guy.

He's young, healthy, and his arm isnt a repaired mishmash of booty muscles and back fat..so he can hit the gym and work on that Arm strength issue...because it is an issue.

 

[CowtownSaint]

You really said all this like you didn't create a thread off of a passive aggressive post


This underhanded post to start a thread invalidated all of the posturing that you are attempting. That being said.


I think that it will probably be more of the same as we saw last game or Winston might get a quarter and Haener will finish the game.

My thread was discussing the 3 QBs and they each had a TD which I thought was great. Carr looked sharp, Winston looked like Winston and Haener looked like a rookie.

Notice how I was discussing the 2023 season and the current preseason game that was just played.

If I was trying to start trouble I would have stated this fact: Winston aside from being set up on the 50 yard line of his first drive, continually had the offence moving backwards, he continually panicked and drifted and could not handle an ounce of pressure. His operation of the O decimated the momentum that the team had and it was evident.

That would have been trying to start trouble. Which I’m not even wanting to get into.

Simply put o think we know what we have in Winston. He is who he is and does what he does. There no point argueing it any further.

Now Jake Haener, we don’t know what he’s going to be, and there were ups and downs for him but his potential is there.

I’m hoping it’s about the same play time as well, but I’m going to SHOCK you with my next take:

I would like to see Winston get some more time with starting O Linemen so he can execute a few sustained drives and build that confidence.

 

[DavidM]

I appreciate you sharing the article again. I still hold the same opinions on Haener, maybe even more so than before, after reading the article.

- He mentions arm length as a detriment to ball speed. With an arm length of 29.75”, Haener’s arms are more than an inch shorter than QB’s identified as having the shortest arms in that draft class. His ceiling is set lower by default.
- Haener has a slower release than what people think, he has to wind up his throws. He also has a slower trigger speed than what gets claimed, but I’ll give him a pass on that as he learns the playbook and gets opportunities with better skill players.
- On a slower release/slower ball speed, the author mentions .05 seconds being significant enough to be late. Haener was .31 seconds late at my best estimate on the throw I looked at, he’s going to get picked if he can’t speed up. I mentioned in another post he probably can’t because he needs to step into his throw to drive the ball. Easy to do in 7-on-7, not so easy with the pocket collapsing around you.

Here are two clips I captured that show Carr vs Haener on release for a similar distance throw, Carr let’s it loose on his reset where Haener has to load up, costing him around .12-.15 seconds just on the release. His trigger speed was also very slow on this play, but again I’m not going to beat him up about it just yet.

Edit: had the videos on a different device, here they are:

Glad you had a chance to read it and weigh in with your thoughts.

Haener's arm length (29.75) is consistent with his overall smaller size, and as I said, I think it's his size that works the most against him (though it certainly doesn't mean he can't be successful, as we know.) For perspective, his arm is longer than Kyler Murray's (28.5) and less than an inch shorter than Bryce Young (30.5); all three of them being smaller quarterbacks.

Haener's measured velocity (57 MPH) from the combine (source Ourlads) puts him near the top of his class. (You can scroll through to see QBs from other recent drafts.)

Dix has Josh Allen at 63, Ourlads has him at 62
Dix has Burrow at 56, Ourlads has NA

I really don't think Haener is going to have problems with velocity but I don't doubt there is room to improve with his mechanics. I'd expect his decision-making time and trigger time to improve with reps, but I thought he looked pretty composed for the most part in his first NFL action.

Via Ourlads:

Ourlads’ Guide to the NFL Draft is the only source that gives the number for the quarterback’s velocity at the NFL Combine. Velocity is measured by a radar gun in miles per hour.

Year: 2023​

Stetson Bennett Georgia 58 (Left) 55 (Right)

Jake Haener Fresno State 56 (Left) 57 (Right)

Tyson Bagent Shepherd 56 (Left) 53 (Right)

Tanner McKee Stanford 55 (Left) 58 (Right)

Dorian Thompson-Robinson UCLA 55 (Left) 58 (Right)

CJ Stroud Ohio State 54 (Left) 56 (Right)

Clayton Tune Houston 53 (Left) 58 (Right)

Anthony Richardson Florida 53 (Left) 54 (Right)

Will Levis Kentucky 53 (Left) 53 (Right)

Jaren Hall BYU 52 (Left) 57 (Right)

Max Duggan TCU 52 (Left) 53 (Right)

Aidan O'Connell Purdue 49 (Left) 49 (Right)

Malik Cunningham Louisville 48 (Left) 51 (Right)

Hendon Hooker Tennessee - did not throw

Bryce Young Alabama - did not throw

 

[Big_L]

We’re all just sick of your little group coming in and trying to create issues. I thought @Andrus made it clear in another thread about doing this type of stuff? Can we not focus on Haener and what he did this past game without your thinly veiled attempt to make this about something and someone (you know who) else?

Nobody is creating issues. It highlights how some of your little group are.

 

[TribuneUK]

I would like to see Winston get some more time with starting O Linemen so he can execute a few sustained drives and build that confidence.

Agreed. I was concerned with those sacks he took and the opportunity to show he can stay clean with a better pocket around him would provide some reassurance.