N/S Jameis Winston/Browns just beat the Ravens (2 Viewers)

[Sguill]

Got made a scapegoat due to injuries with a bad, stale offense. Then, Wasted a lot more money for marginally the same player.

Injuries ruined what could of be tho...

Well Dennis Allen gave Winston the Terrell Pryor treatment. When your starter is injured he doesn't get play again under Allen.

 

[jahsoul357]

Dude almost threw 7 interceptions. Freaking Ravens couldn't catch the ball. Good win for him but no thanks.

The same can be said about the passes that Lamar Jackson threw. Again, we magnify things for some while sweeping things under the rug for others.

I'm a Jamies fan, but that Kurt Warner take is wild.

He has all the tools, and is a GREAT motivator, teammate, and person, but He absolutely makes several bad decisions every game, including what should have been 3-4 interceptions in the Ravens game.

Kurt Warner is a Hall of Fame QB that led one of the greatest offenses ever, won a SB, and a 2-time MVP who just happens to spend his spare time breaking down film and somehow his take on QB play is wild compared to ours? lol. You got to make that make sense for me.

Truth is, every QB makes several "bad decisions" every game but I've mentioned this time and time again; the eye test comes with bias. We see what we want depending on who it is. This is why we are talking about Winston's "almost interceptions" but ignoring those from an MVP frontrunner playing on the same field. Looking at tape takes that part out of it; that's why Kurt Warner can say what he does.

If we are more honest about football, if we had to pick an NFL equivalent, Jameis is Andrew Luck without the infinite goodwill.

He will lose you as many games as you win. Now I will agree that going .500 with Winston at QB would be a fun ride, but at the end of the day you are not going to win championships making 3-4 bad decisions a game as a QB.

Since I know nobody on here really looked at any games before he got here, answer me this; when he was a healthy starter here, how many games did he lose for us?

 

[SWJJ]

Since I know nobody on here really looked at any games before he got here, answer me this; when he was a healthy starter here, how many games did he lose for us?

He lost the same number of games that he won for us. Zero.

We won with Winston at QB because Payton kept the reins on him and didn't let him play hero ball.

Winston was a different QB before SP and is a different QB after SP. His play under SP cannot honestly be used to substantiate the position that Winston doesn't make any more bad decisions than any other QB.

 

[jahsoul357]

He lost the same number of games that he won for us. Zero.

We won with Winston at QB because Payton kept the reins on him and didn't let him play hero ball.

Winston was a different QB before SP and is a different QB after SP. His play under SP cannot honestly be used to substantiate the position that Winston doesn't make any more bad decisions than any other QB.

At some point, we have to kill that narrative of "Payton kept the reins" on him. If he didn't have to go through that offseason competition with Taysom, the offense would have looked completely different. That why if you paid attention as the season went, you saw more and more. That Bucs game was going to be everything but we know what happened. Also, he wouldn't need to play "hero ball" because the first time in his NFL career, he had a defense that didn't require it.

And your last sentence actually opens up a good conversation. He seemingly makes more "bad decisions" than most because he goes vertical and willing to throw into more tighter windows than the vast majority of QBs in this modern day NFL where the goal is for a receiver to dump it off to a wide open receiver less than 5 yards in space so they can make plays. Crazy thing; this is tracked



The problem with so many of us is we don't look at things that track productivity, we care more about the appearance of it.