Jeff Duncan on Sean Payton 2023 (5 Viewers)

[SonOfNOLA]

Colts did have a young elite QB still in 2015. Brees was 36 vs. Luck turning 26 at the time so I can see why Payton to the Colts could’ve happened. Brees still had 4 years left of top 5 QB play though plus a playoff team around him so the Colts situation wasn’t strong enough to leave.

The Chargers are the 2015 Colts with having a young franchise QB and possible vacancy. This time the Saints don’t have a long term franchise QB. But Staley is in Payton’s way of his dream location. It’s unlikely that he’ll drop those last 3 games to 3 win/4 win teams so his job can be handed to Payton. If they go down the wire with the Chiefs in the first round and even upset them, it’ll be hard for them to get rid of a young HC like that.

 

[DavidM]

Colts did have a young elite QB still in 2015. Brees was 36 vs. Luck turning 26 at the time so I can see why Payton to the Colts could’ve happened. Brees still had 4 years left of top 5 QB play though plus a playoff team around him so the Colts situation wasn’t strong enough to leave.

The Chargers are the 2015 Colts with having a young franchise QB and possible vacancy. But Staley is in Payton’s way of his dream location. It’s unlikely that he’ll drop those last 3 games to 3 win/4 win teams so his job can be handed to Payton.

Yeah, I don't disagree about why the Colts, at the time, or the Chargers now, would be appealing to him, but then that forms the basis of doubting he'd seriously want to come back to New Orleans.

 

[FlySaint]

I think the major issue against Payton wanting to return is the lack of a QB, or the draft capital to get one. Ironically if he leaves we’ll likely have the draft pick(s) needed to get a QB.

Or is there going to be a FA QB that’s within our reach?

 

[SonOfNOLA]

Yeah, I don't disagree about why the Colts, at the time, or the Chargers now, would be appealing to him, but then that forms the basis of doubting he'd seriously want to come back to New Orleans.

I don’t know how we can be so sure that Staley’s gone after season 2 just because Payton wants his job. We know Payton has interest but is the interest significantly mutual from the Chargers? Media makes it seem like Payton will strongarm his way into the Chargers HC position while Staley’s in just his 2nd year as a HC, under contract, and likely making the playoffs

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[saintsmarchin]

After rumors of TB12 and SP teaming up in New Orleans swell

Drew Brees has announced that he is returning to football.

 

[PHSaint518]

That answer to the question about saying bye to New Orleans is interesting. He’s definitely not shutting a return down, the question is whether he’s being genuine or not.

 

[DavidM]

I don’t know how we can be so sure that Staley’s gone after season 2 just because Payton wants his job. We know Payton has interest but is the interest significantly mutual from the Chargers? Media makes it seem like Payton will strongarm his way into the Chargers HC position while Staley’s in just his 2nd year as a HC, under contract, and likely making the playoffs

Column: Talk of Payton replacing Staley fails Chargers history test

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I don't think anything is certain and I don't have any real sense of how the Chargers operate and what they might do.

I see Payton as a top tier coaching candidate, enough so that opportunities could open up for him that wouldn't for most others, but the ones making that decision might not see it that way.

 

[SonOfNOLA]

He is not free to go anywhere except to the Saints if he wants to come back next season. The Saints would have to allow him to go somewhere else and that price tag is high.

On top of not free to go, the teams that Payton’s interested in don’t have upcoming imminent openings. Staley and Kingsbury doesn’t appear to lack control of their locker rooms. Both have a lot of money tied to them in their first HC contract and first year of extension.

Payton doesn’t hold the cards with the Saints or the teams that he’s/his circle’s telling the media that he’s interested in. His media interviews can’t really be taken for more than being interview responses primarily. By default, contractually, his #1 option is the Saints. The other teams he’s interested in doesn’t mean anything unless they fire their coaches which isn’t a given financially even if it’s for a HOF coach.

 

[Saint Spud]

That answer to the question about saying bye to New Orleans is interesting. He’s definitely not shutting a return down, the question is whether he’s being genuine or not.

It’s also hilarious that he dismisses the need for a franchise QB, and then rattles off everything that he had in New Orleans that he loved.

 

[DSnfla]

Some people keep talking about rosters and franchise QB's . I don't know how many times SP can say it. It's not that much about the roster. It's about the FO wanting to win and knowing what it takes to do that. He said I don't what to go someplace and think how good of an owner and FO I ad in N.O.
While the chargers have a lot to offer Spanos still owns them. Cheap ineffective FO. AZ has the crazy cheap Bidwells. I don't see an opening that SP would really go for.
The only owner and FO that he knows has what he wants is US.
That makes the DA decision matter a whole lot. Fire or demote DA and I think we become the front runner.

And there's the elephant in the picture. While I really don't like him with his whining and the preferential treatment he gets, Brady is a FA. He and SP have tried to work together in the past. I doubt Tampa franchise tags him.
I know it sounds crazy but just think how much it would burn in Godell's throat to have the darling boy in a Saints uni.

 

[DSnfla]

It’s also hilarious that he dismisses the need for a franchise QB, and then rattles off everything that he had in New Orleans that he loved.

Not once did he mention having a franchise QB here. He said ownership and FO and a want and willingness to win and not have his hands tied

 

[PHSaint518]

Not once did he mention having a franchise QB here. He said ownership and FO and a want and willingness to win and not have his hands tied

“I think people are trying to match the perfect fit, like ‘He’s got to have a franchise quarterback.’ It's not true. I don't think it's realistic either, because a lot of those places that might be open are certainly not going to have the perfect roster.”

 

[Saint Spud]

Some people keep talking about rosters and franchise QB's . I don't know how many times SP can say it. It's not that much about the roster. It's about the FO wanting to win and knowing what it takes to do that. He said I don't what to go someplace and think how good of an owner and FO I ad in N.O.
While the chargers have a lot to offer Spanos still owns them. Cheap ineffective FO. AZ has the crazy cheap Bidwells. I don't see an opening that SP would really go for.
The only owner and FO that he knows has what he wants is US.
That makes the DA decision matter a whole lot. Fire or demote DA and I think we become the front runner.

And there's the elephant in the picture. While I really don't like him with his whining and the preferential treatment he gets, Brady is a FA. He and SP have tried to work together in the past. I doubt Tampa franchise tags him.
I know it sounds crazy but just think how much it would burn in Godell's throat to have the darling boy in a Saints uni.

All this.

First thing that needs to happen is Allen getting fired.

Then it will come down to which other jobs are available.

-Rams are concerning because they’ve proven they’re willing to operate like the Saints: going all-in. If McVay decides he’s burned out, this would be hard for SP to turn down (it would also be worst case scenario for us since they don’t have a first round pick).

-Chargers are concerning bc of Herbert. But will they give SP the power he wants? And if they make the playoffs, will they fire Staley anyway?

-Cardinals were rumored and Payton spoke glowingly about Kyler and being a Cardinals ball boy.

Dallas if they fire McCarthy? Would Jones give SP the power he wants?

Maybe if Tomlin decided to walk away in Pittsburgh? KC if Reid retires?

Beyond that, hard to see many other fits.

 

[DaveXA]

All this.

First thing that needs to happen is Allen getting fired.

Then it will come down to which other jobs are available.

-Rams are concerning because they’ve proven they’re willing to operate like the Saints: going all-in. If McVay decides he’s burned out, this would be hard for SP to turn down (it would also be worst case scenario for us since they don’t have a first round pick).

-Chargers are concerning bc of Herbert. But will they give SP the power he wants? And if they make the playoffs, will they fire Staley anyway?

-Cardinals were rumored and Payton spoke glowingly about Kyler and being a Cardinals ball boy.

Dallas if they fire McCarthy? Would Jones give SP the power he wants?

Maybe if Tomlin decided to walk away in Pittsburgh? KC if Reid retires?

Beyond that, hard to see many other fits.

If the Rams don't have a first round pick, you simply tell them sorry, Payton isn't available to you. Tough luck. Chargers...I'm inclined to think Staley stays put unless they miss the playoffs and/or lose games. Cards, they're not making another coaching change just yet imo. Dallas? McCarthy ain't going anywhere just yet. They've had a nice season, although they're only a couple of losses from being out of the playoffs.

I'm not sure Payton and the Steelers' culture would mesh. But they do have a young qb to groom.

 

[SonOfNOLA]

If the Rams don't have a first round pick, you simply tell them sorry, Payton isn't available to you. Tough luck. Chargers...I'm inclined to think Staley stays put unless they miss the playoffs and/or lose games. Cards, they're not making another coaching change just yet imo. Dallas? McCarthy ain't going anywhere just yet. They've had a nice season, although they're only a couple of losses from being out of the playoffs.

I'm not sure Payton and the Steelers' culture would mesh. But they do have a young qb to groom.

Yup, Payton’s realistic market probably doesn’t reflect his immediate preferences. I don’t see those 3 west coast teams jumping and running to Payton just because he‘s interested in them. They either have new extension obligations tied to their coaches, or it’s just too early to get rid of them while winning like Staley.

I think Payton’s actual options will be Saints, Colts, Broncos, Bears, and Raiders. The Colts have an open HC vacancy. The last three teams’ HCs aren’t fully safe, while they have a young QB or playoff-ready offenses that can go to the next level with Payton. One of Broncos, Bears, and Raiders may move on from their HC if Payton was interested. Mark Davis said it costs too much to get rid of McDaniels right now, but they also wouldn’t want to waste Carr and Adams’ prime years together with a losing HC.