Jeff Duncan on Sean Payton 2023 (1 Viewer)

[SonOfNOLA]

The Cowboys made the playoffs in 2018 and still tried to work out a trade for Payton.

That was when Jason Garrett was HC though. He was mostly a 8-8/9-7 coach, with a couple 12+ win seasons sprinkled in, which were quick one game playoff exits.

McCarthy has history of winning a lot of wildcards and divisionals, plus a Super Bowl win. I think he can repeat the same wildcard & divisional round success with the Cowboys if they don’t give up on him so fast. It’d be real Cowboys-like, but I can’t see the rook Purdy beating the Cowboys if the 49ers and Cowboys face off in the wildcard this season.

Payton would have to make a NFCCG appearance in his first year in Dallas at the least. And a Super Bowl the next year. The roster is SB-ready, but that’s some crazy media and FO pressure to deal with daily as soon as he’d step in.

 

[DaveXA]

He was repeating what Underhill said. Payton wanted to go sign Teddy and draft Pickett.

Not sure why Underhill would say that either. Teddy was never an option, I don't think. Unless he meant we go out and try to acquire him.

 

[Saint Spud]

Not sure why Underhill would say that either. Teddy was never an option, I don't think. Unless he meant we go out and try to acquire him.

He did. Teddy was a FA this offseason.

 

[DaveXA]

He did. Teddy was a FA this offseason.

Ah, that would make sense then. I thought he was on another team at the time.

I'm not convinced he does that with Winston and Dalton already in the fold tho.

 

[Saint Spud]

Ah, that would make sense then. I thought he was on another team at the time.

Yeah, it’s worth a listen if you’ve got some down time. Some interesting stuff about how Payton and his “insiders” operate. Like his insiders were telling everyone Payton wanted to leave to take the Colts job in 2015 (and it turned out to be true).

 

[DSnfla]

Payton wanted Bridgewater and then he would have drafted Pickett. That was his plan before he decided to retire. He wouldn't have gotten Olave or Penning.

Where did SP say he would have drafted Pickett?

 

[DaveXA]

Where did SP say he would have drafted Pickett?

I don't recall him saying Pickett, but I was hoping we'd draft Pickett rather than trade for Watson. That said, I'm happy with Olave and Penning in the fold. They'll be solid contributors for years to come, hopefully.

 

[DavidM]

Yeah, it’s worth a listen if you’ve got some down time. Some interesting stuff about how Payton and his “insiders” operate. Like his insiders were telling everyone Payton wanted to leave to take the Colts job in 2015 (and it turned out to be true).

Damn, how many other jobs was Payton linked to while he was here!? And people believe he wants to come back?

 

[sfidc3]

Surely we aren’t still doing this? Winston is done as a Saint unless Dalton gets injured. There is absolutely no way Payton comes back to New Orleans to coach Winston, he isn’t good at all.

Another JW is done and is no good with no real data or evidence behind the statement....He is only 28, played injured (and as a result...poorly) in a few games last year after a promising start last year. I could see CSP with a healthy JW coming in and proving all the doubters like you....wrong....I would love to see it

 

[Saint Spud]

Damn, how many other jobs was Payton linked to while he was here!? And people believe he wants to come back?

You’re not wrong. At all.

Personally, I kinda file it under “some really talented people can be pains in the butt.” Higher-ups ultimately have to decide if the pain-in-the-butt-ness is worth it.

With SP at the HC position, I’m taking it 100 times out of 100. But I can understand if other people feel differently.

 

[No2DC]

We don't have a first round draft pick for '23. Need an interim qb for the '23 season and draft one in '24. Winston or Dalton will most likely have to be one of the starters next season and if we hold onto Taysom, he could be the backup option for '23.

All of that could change if a good FA QB is available.

I know, I just think we need to be looking regardless of round.

 

[DavidM]

You’re not wrong. At all.

Personally, I kinda file it under “some really talented people can be pains in the butt.” Higher-ups ultimately have to decide if the pain-in-the-butt-ness is worth it.

With SP at the HC position, I’m taking it 100 times out of 100. But I can understand if other people feel differently.

Payton is a proven coach in a tough business, where success doesn't come easily, and most will fall well short of their own goals and others' expectations. I remain a fan of his.

But if the various reports are true linking him to other opportunities over the years, that's tough to ignore when thinking of the plausibility of a second stint with the Saints. Add in that he resigned from this organization just months ago and it's difficult to imagine he's feeling any kind of serious interest in returning here, unless, for some reason, coming back to honor the remainder of his contract becomes a necessary step in navigating the rest of his future in coaching.

I'd love to have him back in a scenario where he makes it clear this is where he wants to be and he is ready to renew a longterm commitment, but I'm highly skeptical that's an idea with any real merit to it.

 

[SonOfNOLA]

Colts did have a young elite QB still in 2015. Brees was 36 vs. Luck turning 26 at the time so I can see why Payton to the Colts could’ve happened. Brees still had 4 years left of top 5 QB play though plus a playoff team around him so the Colts situation wasn’t strong enough to leave.

The Chargers are the 2015 Colts with having a young franchise QB and possible vacancy. This time the Saints don’t have a long term franchise QB. But Staley is in Payton’s way of his dream location. It’s unlikely that he’ll drop those last 3 games to 3 win/4 win teams so his job can be handed to Payton. If they go down the wire with the Chiefs in the first round and even upset them, it’ll be hard for them to get rid of a young HC like that.

 

[DavidM]

Colts did have a young elite QB still in 2015. Brees was 36 vs. Luck turning 26 at the time so I can see why Payton to the Colts could’ve happened. Brees still had 4 years left of top 5 QB play though plus a playoff team around him so the Colts situation wasn’t strong enough to leave.

The Chargers are the 2015 Colts with having a young franchise QB and possible vacancy. But Staley is in Payton’s way of his dream location. It’s unlikely that he’ll drop those last 3 games to 3 win/4 win teams so his job can be handed to Payton.

Yeah, I don't disagree about why the Colts, at the time, or the Chargers now, would be appealing to him, but then that forms the basis of doubting he'd seriously want to come back to New Orleans.