Jeff Duncan on Sean Payton 2023 (5 Viewers)

[Saint Jack]

Yup, Payton’s realistic market probably doesn’t reflect his immediate preferences. I don’t see those 3 west coast teams jumping and running to Payton just because he‘s interested in them. They either have new extension obligations tied to their coaches, or it’s just too early to get rid of them while winning like Staley.

I think Payton’s actual options will be Saints, Colts, Broncos, Bears, and Raiders. The Colts have an open HC vacancy. The last three teams’ HCs aren’t fully safe, while they have a young QB or playoff-ready offenses that can go to the next level with Payton. One of Broncos, Bears, and Raiders may move on from their HC if Payton was interested. Mark Davis said it costs too much to get rid of McDaniels right now, but they also wouldn’t want to waste Carr and Adams’ prime years together with a losing HC.

The Raiders are about as dysfunctional as they were when Payton originally turned them down in the early 00s.
That Wilson trade has doomed the Broncos for the foreseeable future.
The Colts are run by a wannabe Jerry Jones.
I can see the Bears for sentimental reasons because Payton is a Chicago native.

 

[Saint Jack]

Something that may change the Chargers direction is how the players react.
From the SNF post game, it seems like he’s beginning to build a culture.

 

[Bill]

Sean will eventually be coaching in SoFi Stadium. The only question is which occupant is prepared to give him the most power & control . Southern California is where he and his wife chose to live, and that’s the place where he wants to work. Everything that he is putting out in the media right now is simply leverage. He’s doing what’s known as boosting his resume’. Whichever club comes calling will already know the mountain of demands it’s going to take to acquire him. There won’t be any surprises.

 

[Drunk Bucs Fan]

I know a place where he would be perfect. How many 1st Round picks you want? I will throw in Devin White and an OC for free.

 

[DaveXA]

Sean will eventually be coaching in SoFi Stadium. The only question is which occupant is prepared to give him the most power & control . Southern California is where he and his wife chose to live, and that’s the place where he wants to work. Everything that he is putting out in the media right now is simply leverage. He’s doing what’s known as boosting his resume’. Whichever club comes calling will already know the mountain of demands it’s going to take to acquire him. There won’t be any surprises.

Well, there has to actually be a vacancy. Maybe there will be, but I'm not sure Staley is going anywhere and the Rams don't have a first round pick to trade, so a Payton trade to either LA team isn't looking likely at this point.

 

[Bill]

Well, there has to actually be a vacancy. Maybe there will be, but I'm not sure Staley is going anywhere and the Rams don't have a first round pick to trade, so a Payton trade to either LA team isn't looking likely at this point.

I’m wouldn’t bet that either of those things would stop him from getting one of those jobs. If one of those L.A. teams want Sean running the show there, the hurdles will be overcome.

 

[DavidM]

Well, there has to actually be a vacancy. Maybe there will be, but I'm not sure Staley is going anywhere and the Rams don't have a first round pick to trade, so a Payton trade to either LA team isn't looking likely at this point.

If the market ends up being dry for Payton, that could be the scenario that gets him back to New Orleans if, in fact, that is a possibility he is really considering (and assuming the job opens back up for him). I would just be concerned he could see that as an opportunity to finish out his contract here and then be free to go wherever he wants when the right job does open up, without the hurdle of having his rights negotiated. Much easier for him to make a move under those circumstances.

 

[No2DC]

If the market ends up being dry for Payton, that could be the scenario that gets him back to New Orleans if, in fact, that is a possibility he is really considering (and assuming the job opens back up for him). I would just be concerned he could see that as an opportunity to finish out his contract here and then be free to go wherever he wants when the right job does open up, without the hurdle of having his rights negotiated. Much easier for him to make a move under those circumstances.

That's why he must sign an extension "if" he returns. We have reached the point of ultimate desperation under Allen, hoping the ex that dumped us and is actively looking for someone new will come back.

 

[DavidM]

That's why he must sign an extension "if" he returns. We have reached the point of ultimate desperation under Allen, hoping the ex that dumped us and is actively looking for someone new will come back.

I'm just wondering what the team's options would be in that case. If they fire Allen and Payton informs them he'd come back, but they propose an extension he doesn't want to sign, would they either have to let him fulfill the remaining years, as structured, or void the deal and relinquish his rights under current terms?

 

[Bill]

That's why he must sign an extension "if" he returns. We have reached the point of ultimate desperation under Allen, hoping the ex that dumped us and is actively looking for someone new will come back.

Really sad of us when you put it that way.

 

[PHSaint518]

Something that may change the Chargers direction is how the players react.
From the SNF post game, it seems like he’s beginning to build a culture.

Another thing to note with the Chargers is they’ve had a ton of injuries. Is a notoriously cheap owner going to fire a second year coach who has made the playoffs, despite injury problems? Seems unlikely. Payton coming back and signing Brady for a couple of years just makes far too much sense, there isn’t a single obstacle in the way of it happening.

 

[No2DC]

Really sad of us when you put it that way.

The truth hurts

 

[No2DC]

I'm just wondering what the team's options would be in that case. If they fire Allen and Payton informs them he'd come back, but they propose an extension he doesn't want to sign, would they either have to let him fulfill the remaining years, as structured, or void the deal and relinquish his rights under current terms?

We are in bad shape. I think the only reason the Payton story has legs is that the job he really wants may not be open and his coming back is a safer option than starting over. I think we need to accept Allen was the wrong decision and reset with someone new. Also, Loomis is a little too close to Sean so I don't think he will force a deal on him.

 

[Saint Jack]

I'm just wondering what the team's options would be in that case. If they fire Allen and Payton informs them he'd come back, but they propose an extension he doesn't want to sign, would they either have to let him fulfill the remaining years, as structured, or void the deal and relinquish his rights under current terms?

Frankly, I would still take the two years.
It may be short term for Payton, but he probably will build the team for the next guy.

 

[DavidM]

Frankly, I would still take the two years.
It may be short term for Payton, but he probably will build the team for the next guy.

The current circumstances have created a desperation about the future of the team so I can understand your view. It would certainly be preferable to what we have now.

If it did work out that Payton came back and only coached through 2024, I think chances are pretty good we'd end up feeling about that like we did after the all-in years through the end of Drew's career; might have made sense at the time but didn't come out of it with much to show.

Payton played a major role in building this current team and while most of us can agree about the abysmal job Allen has done, most head coaches end up failing. I'm not sure what we should realistically expect Payton to accomplish over the next couple of seasons that would set the next guy up much better. If, hypothetically, Payton was coaching out the current deal, I'm not even sure you get the cultural benefits in the lockerroom. Players aren't dumb to that. I think success depends on a certain amount of perceived stability and longterm strategy. That wouldn't exist on a two year stint.

If Payton did come back and sign an extension, great!