Jeff Duncan on Sean Payton 2023 (2 Viewers)

[sammymvpknight]

That’s not why he left. The man was burned out.

It could easily be either and both. You’re burned out but you keep with it because of certain motivations (a good team). That motivation is gone and the burnout is all you have left. If the Saints were winning championships, I think Payton’s still the Saints HC

 

[Analyze This]

Things are starting to open in ARZ.

 

[Saint Jack]

It could easily be either and both. You’re burned out but you keep with it because of certain motivations (a good team). That motivation is gone and the burnout is all you have left. If the Saints were winning championships, I think Payton’s still the Saints HC

Lombardi was winning championships with the Packers and still got burned out.
He ended up becoming the Packers GM and later regretted leaving.

 

[Saint Jack]

Things are starting to open in ARZ.

Arizona to me doesn’t make sense. It’s not a large market or even a franchise with a terrific history.
In fact, if this was 05, I’d say the Cardinals would have a worse reputation than the Saints.
That all gets mixed in with the questionable ownership while giving Kliff a contract extension.

 

[RJ in Lafayette]

I was not passing moral judgment on Sean Payton. I was merely saying what I believed was going on. I respect the opinion of anyone who disagrees. But there was much smoke about Payton going to Miami until its former coach sued the team and league for racial discrimination. And as soon as Payton left, he started talking about coaching again. Yes, I firmly believe that if Payton had a top quarterback and a team he thought was a legitimate playoff contender, there is no way he would have left the Saints. And regarding burnout, there may have been some--it is tough coaching a team where the team's expectations readily exceed its talent level and potential--but Gayle Benson reportedly offered to let him take time away and later return as a head coach. In my opinion, Sean Payton saw the condition of the team and decided it was his best interests professionally to move on. Again, no moral judgment. I am not arguing what he should have done, only why he did what he did.

Finally, yes, when Vince Lombardi stepped down at Green Bay, he was physically and mentally tired and had been for several years battling health issues. But we do know that shortly after stepping down as head coach--he remained the team's general manager--he wanted to return to coaching. Indeed, Lombardi seriously discussed becoming coach of the expansion Atlanta Falcons in 1966 in return for a huge contract and a small piece of the franchise. And we definitely know that his stepping down as head coach coincided with the team's talent level taking a noticeable turn downward. His last year as head coach, 1967, was the team's "last hurrah"--coaching was a factor, but age and talent were huge factors. Like Sean, Lombardi chose to leave just when it was clear that his team was about to take a turn for the worse because of the talent on the roster.

 

[Saint Spud]

Arizona to me doesn’t make sense. It’s not a large market or even a franchise with a terrific history.
In fact, if this was 05, I’d say the Cardinals would have a worse reputation than the Saints.
That all gets mixed in with the questionable ownership while giving Kliff a contract extension.

I didn’t think so either until I heard Payton go on Cowherd and talk about his history with the organization (and stick up for Kyler). Plus, SP spoke really highly of Kyler back in the draft process.

They’d be the second best option because they’ll have a high first round pick. And Loomis better demand it.

 

[DSnfla]

He was lobbying for another job within weeks. That's why I've never been able to buy the burned out narrative.

1st where was he lobbying for another HC job after 2 weeks? And if he wanted a yr off from coaching do you think he waits till the yr is up to start looking? Naw he was burnt out and needed a break

 

[DaveXA]

1st where was he lobbying for another HC job after 2 weeks? And if he wanted a yr off from coaching do you think he waits till the yr is up to start looking? Naw he was burnt out and needed a break

Yeah, I'm trying to recall him making comments about wanting to go somewhere else immediately after he announced he was stepping down. I'm thinking he said he was open to coaching again, but never lobbied to go to a specific team.

 

[sfidc3]

But there was much smoke about Payton going to Miami until its former coach sued the team and league for racial discrimination.

I disagree with your reasons of why CSP left but that's cool we all have a right to our opinion.

That said, there has been "smoke" about CSP leaving to coach Dallas since 2010.....it appears with some smoke there is indeed no fire.....I call BS on him trying to get a coaching job immediately after leaving the Saints as well....there is exactly zero evidence just the same BS media "speculation"....the only thing I've heard him say is that he is open to coming back to coach someday....

 

[SaintJ]

He was lobbying for another job within weeks. That's why I've never been able to buy the burned out narrative.

You can be burned out on a particular situation, even if it's generally one you'd otherwise be happy in.

If Payton had just come out and said "I'll always be a Saint but I am going to take a year off and relax and then go coach somewhere else just to explore some things I always said I'd do with a fresh start," what were you going to say other than "thanks for everything coach and god speed"?

 

[Analyze This]

I didn’t think so either until I heard Payton go on Cowherd and talk about his history with the organization (and stick up for Kyler). Plus, SP spoke really highly of Kyler back in the draft process.

They’d be the second best option because they’ll have a high first round pick. And Loomis better demand it.

This and Payton wants a lot of control. With the GM in question there Payton can select his puppet.

 

[Saint Spud]

This and Payton wants a lot of control. With the GM in question there Payton can select his

Agree. Unfortunately I think it would be Ireland or Harley. Whichever one Loomis doesn’t promote.

 

[Lafexpress]

CSP wanted the Green Bay job, before he was turned down by them, and the Saints signed him, watch after end of season for serious move by CSP ......my guess LA chargers, Green Bay or Arizona.....will not return to Saints....not enough PR here!

 

[Saint Jack]

CSP wanted the Green Bay job, before he was turned down by them, and the Saints signed him, watch after end of season for serious move by CSP ......my guess LA chargers, Green Bay or Arizona.....will not return to Saints....not enough PR here!

Because GB is the media capital of the world….

 

[DaveXA]

Yeah, GB makes zero sense for multiple reasons.