Jim Mora didn’t like Rizzi chewing out Matthew Hayball (3 Viewers)

[DSnfla]

But AK isn't in "his unit". Some coaches legitimately expect the best out of their group- and when something like technique and protocol breaks down due to someone abandoning their responsibility on a given play, the guys who are all about "protocol" are gonna lose their minds lol

I'm not saying he didn't lose his mind a little too much (on the surface), but i don't think it's a fair comparison when he clearly still considers the ST to be his unit that he's fully responsible for, even moreso than the rest of the team. TBH- to Rizzi, I'm sure a punter like Hayball is the perfect guy to blow up on if you're trying to demonstrate that you're capable of showing some emotion and getting on someone's tail when they mess up like he did. It probably takes a while for a coach to change how they hold "their guys" accountable or confront them when an in-season elevation happens like this year.

You're missing the problem the WHOLE team is his unit now.

 

[DSnfla]

That's clearly your opinion on the matter. I think you're overlooking that Hayball plays on the unit Rizzi coaches. Payton would yell more at offensive players than defense. There's probably a tendency of coaches to get more quickly frustrated with players that aren't doing what they have directly coached them to do. I think that was as much a factor as any "pressure" he might have been feeling, but that's just my opinion.

Payton would yell at his offensive players yes but when a defensive player would mess up he'd yell @ DA or the DC

 

[DSnfla]

Had it not been for that flag being thrown, Hayball playing out of position as he did led to that touchdown.

But the other 10 guys on the punt team had nothing to do with not making the tackle

 

[Saint KayBee]

Two clowns approve of fourth place? Medicority can be contagious- from the field to the computer screen.

Two clowns don’t like what you had to say or how you said it. Y’all are really projecting your MACHO MAN sensibilities… on a message board. 0.0 yards per game tho

 

[Cajun Chat]

My only problem with it was who he was yelling at and who he didn't yell at all game long. Carr throws a horrible pick, nothing. Receivers run the wrong routes and miss blocks, nothing. Defense constantly missing tackles and giving up on plays (looking at you Chase Young), nothing. But the punter, the littlest guy on the team, makes a mistake during one of his 7 punts and he gets lit up. Heck, maybe direct the frustration at the offense that has a rookie punting 7 times against one of the worst teams in the league instead. It was bad form from Rizzi and I don't think he has the right judgement and temperament during the game to be a HC. He completely lost his composure and while I have seen other coaches angry and snap at players, it's rare to see what Rizzi did.

Exactly the point I was making earlier. He wouldn't do that to a star player. He goes after the punter? Really?

 

[jayd265]

meh. Do your job.

 

[fnholmes]

I remember Payton yelling at Mike Bell about wearing the wrong cleats.

 

[St. Widge]

But AK isn't in "his unit". Some coaches legitimately expect the best out of their group- and when something like technique and protocol breaks down due to someone abandoning their responsibility on a given play, the guys who are all about "protocol" are gonna lose their minds lol

I'm not saying he didn't lose his mind a little too much (on the surface), but i don't think it's a fair comparison when he clearly still considers the ST to be his unit that he's fully responsible for, even moreso than the rest of the team. TBH- to Rizzi, I'm sure a punter like Hayball is the perfect guy to blow up on if you're trying to demonstrate that you're capable of showing some emotion and getting on someone's tail when they mess up like he did. It probably takes a while for a coach to change how they hold "their guys" accountable or confront them when an in-season elevation happens like this year.

He's the head coach now. The entire team is his unit. He has to stop thinking like a special teams coordinator and start thinking like a head coach.

I get that it could take some time to do that, but it just wasn't a good look for Rizzi and it kind of makes me question if he's ready to be a head coach. I'm not saying he can't learn but it's certainly something I think needs to be watched and looked at closely.

Moreover, he didn't act like that when Shaheed muffed a punt inside the 2 against the Falcons and that was a mental mistake by one of his guys that actually cost us a TD.

 

[RjunCajun]

Soooo many soft posters in this thread....

Rizzi has always been an excitable coach (both good and bad). You just didn't see it as much when he was ST coach. Now the cameras are on him. That's not the first time he's gotten on players before. He's also one of the first ones to hug, high five, jump up and down with players when they make good plays.

Remember this is also the guy that basically told Arthur Smith to fork off last year.

 

[StudioSaint]

You are missing the point,...

I get the point of your opinion. I just don't agree with your opinion. There's no factual right or wrong on this issue, just opinions.

...nothing wrong with dressing down a player that makes a big mistake.

That's an opinion and it's a subjective issue so opinions are neither factually right or wrong, just different.

It's the level that Rizzi took it.

In my opinion, Rizzi's reaction wasn't at the level some people see it as being.

He looked out of control, so much so that I don't think he knew there was a flag on the play.

That's opinion and speculation, not that there's anything wrong with that. He didn't look out of control in my opinion and I'm not going to speculate on what Rizzi did or didn't know.

So much that AK had to come over and tell him to chill.

I've seen players do that with Belichik, Payton and other coaches who are respected and admired by some of the people who are criticizing Rizzi and using it as a reason to say he's not qualified to be a head coach.

Most of those people had already formed the opinion that Rizzi is not qualified to be a head coach, so it's expected they would use this as one more justification for the opinion they had already formed. There's nothing at all surprising about some people's reactions to Rizzi's actions.

That's a HC that let his emotions get the best of him.

Case in point and it's just your opinion that his emotions got the best of him. The whole exchange lasted around 30 seconds and Rizzi immediately turn his attention back to moving forward. In my opinion, that is not the actions of someone who let their emotions get the best of them. That's the actions of someone that expressed their emotions and then moved on.

You show me a video of Payton or Belichick throwing down a headset and hat red faced with hysteria yelling at a punter.

In my opinion, throwing down a headset and having a red face does not make Rizzi's actions substantially different from similar actions I've seen from Payton, Belichick and other respected and admired coaches.

I understand and get it that you think that throwing down the headset and having a red face makes Rizzi's reactions significantly different. That's your subjective opinion and not an objective fact. I have a different subjective opinion from you. Do you get that?

 

[GrandAdmiral]

But the other 10 guys on the punt team had nothing to do with not making the tackle

As already stated by myself and others, Hayball was supposed to be a safety net in case the returner got past those 10 players. But since he decided to join the scrum and play out of position, the returner got past him and everyone else.

A lot of you criticizing Rizzi would be calling for Hayball's head here and the GD thread had the flag not be thrown and the Saints lost.

 

[Saint KayBee]

A lot of you criticizing Rizzi would be calling for Hayball's head here and the GD thread had the flag not be thrown and the Saints lost.

That kind of hothead temperament tends to take root with the typing tough guys, not people who have demonstrated some measure of reasoned perspective on this and other issues.

Surely you don’t think people who are thinking “whoa, this was a bit much” would then turn around and fly off the handle themselves after a loss, right? The keyboard hardarses would suddenly be totally chill about a loss after a momentum swing on the kick teams?

We all gotta believe something, I guess…

 

[greg8710]

People are so soft nowadays

 

[St4ever]

There is yelling and chewing out but what Rizzi did was red-face hysteria throwing things. And at the PUNTER. Hayball didn't fumble, He didn't drop a sure TD pass to win a game or miss a tackle that cost us a game. He didn't kick it where it needed to be . C'mon man

What he did was get out of position which allowed the returner to score a TD. Thank god there was a penalty but Rizzi made sure this punter knew he cannot break containment again. We could have lost the game because of his mistake.

 

[saintmdterps]

I mean, these are grown men making a ton of money. If they can't take a butt chewing playing a competitive sport they need to find a new profession. Give me a 6-9 figure salary and you can yell at me all you want.

Remember Brees tearing into Jeremy Shockey on the sideline? Shockey took the ***-chewing and became a better player.