Just another day in New Orleans (1 Viewer)

[DJ1BigTymer]

Please please help others remember that crime had already reversed before these cowboys came to town

It doesn't matter! The fact that crime was trending down doesn't fit the Landry narrative.

 

[guidomerkinsrules]

 

[Mr. Sparkle]

That one sounds a little different from a high speed chase that results in a crash. Clickbait, dare I say.

Troopers instead boxed in a stolen Toyota Highlander SUV that was driving erratically about 1 p.m. on westbound South Claiborne, a State Police spokesperson said. At the Toledano Street stoplight, one trooper pulled behind and another moved in front of the Highlander before turning on their lights, said Sgt. Kate Stegall.


“The violator chose to drive forward and backward multiple times, striking both of our units, the unit in the front and the unit in the back, multiple times,” Stegall said, describing the suspect's actions as "ping-ponging." Another police vehicle helped trap the car, which sported fraudulent temporary tags, according to State Police.

IMO none of the crashes sound like LSP were particularly reckless - it was the stolen vehicle/suspect that crashed in each case - I'm just glad they are here. NOPD is still well under 1000 officers. We need the help.

 

[guidomerkinsrules]

That one sounds a little different from a high speed chase that results in a crash.



IMO none of the crashes sound like LSP were particularly reckless - it was the stolen vehicle/suspect that crashed in each case - I'm just glad they are here. NOPD is still well under 1000 officers. We need the help.

The reason regular cops no longer engage in high speed chases is that it’s dangerous (deadly) for public (and property) regardless of who caused the crash

 

[St. Widge]

That one sounds a little different from a high speed chase that results in a crash.



IMO none of the crashes sound like LSP were particularly reckless - it was the stolen vehicle/suspect that crashed in each case - I'm just glad they are here. NOPD is still well under 1000 officers. We need the help.

I don't think the issue is really whether or not that how they drive in a particular chase is negligent. Car chases by their nature are dangerous no matter how good the Trooper driving is at chases. I think the issue is whether it is worth it to risk these crashes for the types of crimes involved? On the one hand I get that lots of stuff happens in the city because people know that NOPD can't chase them. But, on the other hand, is it worth it to risk the lives of innocent bystanders to say catch a car thief? I think it's clearly worth the risk when a violent crime in involved, but it's less clear to me when it's a stolen car or a possession charge. But, at the same point, you do want to find away to stop those things too. I'm just not sure that high speed chases are worth the risk in that situation.

 

[Mr. Sparkle]

The reason regular cops no longer engage in high speed chases is that it’s dangerous (deadly) for public (and property) regardless of who caused the crash

Well in our case its because it was part of the consent decree but this was not a high speed chase. And I will take the risk of a car crash to chase a violent offender - its not like our roads are at all safe to begin with. If these crashes happen to yield a bunch of guns and arrests, then OK with me.

Anyway if cops using their vehicles to box in a stolen car at a red light is too much, then there's not much left to talk about - we're in "defund the police!" territory at that point.

 

[St. Widge]

Well in our case its because it was part of the consent decree but this was not a high speed chase. And I will take the risk of a car crash to chase a violent offender - its not like our roads are at all safe to begin with. If these crashes happen to yield a bunch of guns and arrests, then OK with me.

Anyway if cops using their vehicles to box in a stolen car at a red light is too much, then there's not much left to talk about - we're in "defund the police!" territory at that point.

I don't have a problem with them boxing in a stolen car at a red light. But, I'm less clear that I'm okay with them chasing a stolen car at high speed.

 

[guidomerkinsrules]

Well in our case its because it was part of the consent decree but this was not a high speed chase. And I will take the risk of a car crash to chase a violent offender - its not like our roads are at all safe to begin with. If these crashes happen to yield a bunch of guns and arrests, then OK with me.

Anyway if cops using their vehicles to box in a stolen car at a red light is too much, then there's not much left to talk about - we're in "defund the police!" territory at that point.

Can we compromise at ‘demilitarize the police’?

 

[buzd]

I'm kind of torn on this one, but if someone is already driving a stolen car and is willing to run from the cops at high speed, what are the odds that that person is willing to do something else that might jeopardize the civilian population to an equal or greater degree, and then without cops already in the vicinity?

I'm just guessing but I suspect those odds are pretty high.

 

[guidomerkinsrules]

I'm kind of torn on this one, but if someone is already driving a stolen car and is willing to run from the cops at high speed, what are the odds that that person is willing to do something else that might jeopardize the civilian population to an equal or greater degree, and then without cops already in the vicinity?

I'm just guessing but I suspect those odds are pretty high.

Do you think the odds are higher they’ll do additional crime ‘because’ or that they will hit pedestrians or other cars or utility poles or buildings?

 

[St. Widge]

I'm kind of torn on this one, but if someone is already driving a stolen car and is willing to run from the cops at high speed, what are the odds that that person is willing to do something else that might jeopardize the civilian population to an equal or greater degree, and then without cops already in the vicinity?

I'm just guessing but I suspect those odds are pretty high.

Maybe. But by chasing them you guarantee that they will do something that might jeopardize civilians.

But, I am a bit torn on this too because I think the fact that NOPD can't chase is the reason for a lot of the crimes in the city like car jacking, stealing cars, robbery, breaking into cars, etc. And those crimes also put the public at increased risk so maybe it's worth the dangers of the chases if they stop or severely reduce those things?

 

[buzd]

Do you think the odds are higher they’ll do additional crime ‘because’ or that they will hit pedestrians or other cars or utility poles or buildings?

I'm sure you're implying something ominous with 'because' but I'm about as liberal as you without the tights, so I'm not going to take the bait and just say both.

 

[guidomerkinsrules]

I'm sure you're implying something ominous with 'because' but I'm about as liberal as you without the tights, so I'm not going to take the bait and just say both.

Several articles out there but most I saw are localized (no national diagnosis or anything)…:

According to the U.S. Department of Transportation’s (DOT) National Center for Statistics and Analysis, pursuits that turned deadly increased 41 percent from 2001 to 2021. During that time period, 8,203 people died; 493 of those were from Georgia. Of those killed nationally, about 36 percent were innocent bystanders.

Other reports have said that do not pursue mandates are important BUT do not/should not apply if police are in pursuit of someone they know committed an act of violence
But I think it’s pretty clear in those articles that the cost benefit analysis of danger to innocents vs most high speed chases falls clearly on the ‘protect the public’ side - which, of course, includes protecting the public from footing the bill for chases gone wrong - which seems to be a sizable payout

 

[Mr. Sparkle]

Several articles out there but most I saw are localized (no national diagnosis or anything)…:

According to the U.S. Department of Transportation’s (DOT) National Center for Statistics and Analysis, pursuits that turned deadly increased 41 percent from 2001 to 2021. During that time period, 8,203 people died; 493 of those were from Georgia. Of those killed nationally, about 36 percent were innocent bystanders.

Other reports have said that do not pursue mandates are important BUT do not/should not apply if police are in pursuit of someone they know committed an act of violence
But I think it’s pretty clear in those articles that the cost benefit analysis of danger to innocents vs most high speed chases falls clearly on the ‘protect the public’ side - which, of course, includes protecting the public from footing the bill for chases gone wrong - which seems to be a sizable payout

Fortunately Orleans Parish has a multi-decade backlog of unpaid judgments so we don’t really have to worry about that last part.

Anyway, if the LSP can show that they pursued a car that was 1) stolen, and 2) engaged in another crime, I’m going to give them the benefit of the doubt until shown otherwise.

I get the risk of a crash but we’re also taking about stolen cars being driven by someone who has decent odds of being high AF and running red lights to begin with.

 

[Brennan77]

That one sounds a little different from a high speed chase that results in a crash. Clickbait, dare I say.



IMO none of the crashes sound like LSP were particularly reckless - it was the stolen vehicle/suspect that crashed in each case - I'm just glad they are here. NOPD is still well under 1000 officers. We need the help.

Yep. I think those whose initial reaction to more law enforcement in struggling Nola is cynicism need to consider why that is. It's just...weird. Because I'm on the road all day, I happened to be in the flow of two of these incidents by chance. I was absolutely impressed by the coordination and skill with which the pursuit was happening amongst normal traffic. Also the fact that anyone at all was pursuing a criminal was eye opening.

I'll take all the "cowboys" that we can get. I'm sick of living in a sheet hole with no standards of lawfulness. I hate that I'm forced to seriously consider relocating away from family every single year because this city is so broken. New Orleans deserves better.