Loomis Presser Set for Jan 13th (4 Viewers)

[JackDiesel]

I find it interesting that so many say "we haven't drafted well."
Only Davenport was a massive mistake... & that is because we used 2 1st round picks to move up to get him.
Drafting players is always a hit or miss for all teams.. It is one of the reasons that I don't like drafting players for lower D1 or FCS players in the 1st round.
1st round draft picks especially high 1st round picks are suppose start or play a lot in their rookie season...

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This is our FO's mistake...
We have teams littered with our drafter players that are playing at a very high level.
In 2019 when we extended Cam Jordan's Contract, how many of you would have been screaming from the top of you breath to fire everyone if we had let Cam Jordan go as a UFA? How many of you would have been screaming if we had let D. Davis leave as a UFA in 2020 instead of extending him...

I'm old enough to remember when we let Ricky Jackson leave as a UFA... (Actually called Plan B at the time)
Willie Roaf leave as UFA...
Sam Mills leave as a UFA...

Other than Ricky Jackson, fans weren't very happy with this outcome...
So our current FO has tried its best to keep its aging stars in-house.

Unfortunately the cost is having your ex-younger players playing at a high level for other teams & we are stuck with an salary cap problem.

How would you qualify drafting well? Our first round pick list hasn't been pretty on re-signing here. Turner isn't looking good. Ruiz re-signed, many would argue for worse. Davenport well you touched on. Lattimore was legit. Rankins was allowed to walk. Peat re-signed for better or worse. Anthony was a bust. Cooks was traded pretty quickly. Vaccaro wasn't brought back. Jordan was a massive hit. Robinson never really worked out.

That's 2 out of 11 that played into their second contract with us at a high level.

 

[Zardnok]

For a 3rd round pick.

Back when we had to trade away our best players because the locker room was like a real life version of North Dallas Forty.

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[Wisco Steve]

Press conference will be interesting, but no conclusions can be made after today.

Mickey is on his last leg, as far as the fans are concerned and he has 1 year to put up or shut up, in my opinion. The team and organization need to be on MUCH stronger footing by this time next year. That doesn't mean we need 10+ wins and a playoff appearance, as the team may be too far down to do that in one year, but we need to see a year's worth of solid decision making and people selection at the organizational, coaching and player levels.

These are the times where GMs earn their pay. I'm highly skeptical that Mickey has the skills and demeanor to navigate this without Sean at his side, but I'm willing to give it one year more to see if he can prove me wrong.

I think some conclusions can be drawn after listening--hopefully.
The bold part is the problem...and how Loomis operates. We should be heading towards a full on rebuild, a 3 year type project. Meanwhile, Loomis pulling out all the stops to remain 'competitive' is only going to compound our issues and leave us out in the wilderness even longer.

 

[sfidc3]

Did I say ML was above reproach? Did I say that he doesn't bear a large amount of responsibility for the state of the team? Did I say there wasn't a lot of legitimate criticism of him? No......

Would I personally move on from ML? Would I rather a new GM? Have I expressed criticism of ML? Do I think he waited 2 years too long to fire DA? Do I think he needs to stop trading up? Do I think ML needs to stop adding void years to contracts of old players? Do I think he needs to stop extending old players and do a better job drafting so that we aren't forced to extend older players? Yes.....

Do many posters here take it too far? Do many posters here turn it into a personal attack? Do many posters here feel the need to say that Loomis needs to be fired in every thread? Do many posters take discussion of a game too seriously and just want to be miserable about everything and look for the worst way to look at everything? Do some posters here take themselves too seriously? Do some posters here lack a sense of humor? Also, yes......

I think there are some posters that do for sure, but is that somehow shocking? But a personal attack? Just want to be miserable, take themselves too seriously? Sure, there is all of that and exactly what I would expect on a message board.....

There are also some way oversensitive, rah-rah, the Saints can do no wrong types that were dead wrong about everything to date (just wait until DA gets an OC, Kubiak is going to fix everything...blah, blah, blah) that went to ridiculous/silly lengths to defend DA and still defend ML......again, exactly what I would expect on a message board.....

I agree there could be more humor....

 

[MikeyF]

It doesn’t affect your point, but Roaf was traded to KC, rather than leaving as an UFA.

You are correct...

ESPN.com: NFL - Saints reach agreement to trade Roaf to Chiefs

 

[jesusfish]

I'm expecting you guys and gals to be giving a play by play update on the press conference in this thread. Don't disappoint us.

 

[St. Widge]

I think there are some posters that do for sure, but is that somehow shocking? But a personal attack? Just want to be miserable, take themselves too seriously? Sure, there is all of that and exactly what I would expect on a message board.....

There are also some way oversensitive, rah-rah, the Saints can do no wrong types that were dead wrong about everything to date (just wait until DA gets an OC, Kubiak is going to fix everything...blah, blah, blah) that went to ridiculous/silly lengths to defend DA and still defend ML......again, exactly what I would expect on a message board.....

I agree there could be more humor....

I guess I just have higher expectations and I'm more okay with the over the top optimism that is often wrong because this is supposed to be fun which is where the humor should come in. The criticisms are mostly valid, but are often times repeated so often and with so little humor that it wears thin. And sometimes they aren't valid, they are just mean spirited personal attacks made because people need someone to be the target of their anger and DA is gone.

But I guess others treat this as some sort of therapy session to get all the anger and frustration out. To each their own, but I just find it frustrating when we can't have nuanced conversations because any attempt at nuance or trying to look on the bright side is met my overwhelming cynicism in every single thread. But, I probably expect too much from people.

And in the end we are all just a bunch of fans that don't have access to the information to really know what is going on. To paraphrase Mora, we think we know, but we don't know. And given that, all of us, including me, should probably take our opinions on this stuff less seriously.

 

[MikeyF]

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